Question for you AI guys

[thomasmoran1]

Well another season of open tracking is done for us and this winter our plan is to take out as much weight as we can. The car weights 3320 right now and we think we should be able to pull 250 pounds out. Right now the AC, heater core and stereo are all gone along with the stock seats and back seat.

The car right now does have a 6 point cage in it and we are going to add some more extensive door bars and rollover protection. We plan on pulling out all the carpet, adding a lexan rear window, every interior panel expect the dash is coming out and gutting the doors so there is nothing left except the door skins.

Basically we would like your guys input on if you think this is reasonable or not and secondly what are our cars weighting in at all striped out?

Thanks

Thomas and Mike

[98banana]

Originally posted by thomasmoran1
Well another season of open tracking is done for us and this winter our plan is to take out as much weight as we can. The car weights 3320 right now and we think we should be able to pull 250 pounds out. Right now the AC, heater core and stereo are all gone along with the stock seats and back seat.

The car right now does have a 6 point cage in it and we are going to add some more extensive door bars and rollover protection. We plan on pulling out all the carpet, adding a lexan rear window, every interior panel expect the dash is coming out and gutting the doors so there is nothing left except the door skins.

Basically we would like your guys input on if you think this is reasonable or not and secondly what are our cars weighting in at all striped out?

Thanks

Thomas and Mike

I never got any weights on my car, but I can tell you it's reasonable to remove stuff. Most of the AI cars I've seen at the races are stripped. Shugg can give you more precise numbers, but I think he weighs in at around 3050 including driver. That was before the new cage, but I'm assuming he's still close to that.

The banana II will be another stripped car and I'm planning on doing everything I can to get it as much off the car as possible.

BUT, Shugg brought up a good point in a previous thread about taking too much weight off. It can hurt top end if you plan to run AI because you'll have less power to overcome drag at higher speeds. I'm leaning towards AIX again, so power shouldn't be an issue in my case.

[thomasmoran1]

Originally posted by 98banana
I never got any weights on my car, but I can tell you it's reasonable to remove stuff. Most of the AI cars I've seen at the races are stripped. Shugg can give you more precise numbers, but I think he weighs in at around 3050 including driver. That was before the new cage, but I'm assuming he's still close to that.

The banana II will be another stripped car and I'm planning on doing everything I can to get it as much off the car as possible.

BUT, Shugg brought up a good point in a previous thread about taking too much weight off. It can hurt top end if you plan to run AI because you'll have less power to overcome drag at higher speeds. I'm leaning towards AIX again, so power shouldn't be an issue in my case.


Good point about the drag thing. However if we ever decide to do a couple of AI races we would just enter into AIX because of the hossiers alone. Plus this winter we should be around 400 rwhp so if we got down around 3000 pounds we would be over the power to weight ratio anyway.

Tom maybe if I can convince the old man we can trade some paint in AIX next year LOL.

Thomas

[svt_coupe]

Originally posted by 98banana
I never got any weights on my car, but I can tell you it's reasonable to remove stuff. Most of the AI cars I've seen at the races are stripped. Shugg can give you more precise numbers, but I think he weighs in at around 3050 including driver. That was before the new cage, but I'm assuming he's still close to that.

Hmm... Maybe if I lost a few pounds... :D

Actually... my car weighs 3260 with me in it (185-190lbs) and 1/2 tank of gas. That means I have 500 lbs to go... :(

I'm not sure why everyone wants to go AIX. I'd think that AI is 1) more affordable 2) closer competition since the limit 3) cheaper 4) more of a "spec" series and the competition is very close and FUN... not that AIX is not... 5) less expensive 6) REAL close to AIX performance wise - remember, a true 9.5:1 car is a seriously fast car... 7) easier on the bank account 8) you get to run the Toyo which is nearly indestructible... which translates to less tire per year... which translates to 9) not as much dough.

[98banana]

:rotf: :rotf:

Originally posted by svt_coupe
Hmm... Maybe if I lost a few pounds... :D

Actually... my car weighs 3260 with me in it (185-190lbs) and 1/2 tank of gas. That means I have 500 lbs to go... :(

Oops, I was thinking about the 3050 as car + you, but I guess it's car only. I've heard of a few good diets if you're interested, fatty! :D



Originally posted by svt_coupe
I'm not sure why everyone wants to go AIX. I'd think that AI is 1) more affordable 2) closer competition since the limit 3) cheaper 4) more of a "spec" series and the competition is very close and FUN... not that AIX is not... 5) less expensive 6) REAL close to AIX performance wise - remember, a true 9.5:1 car is a seriously fast car... 7) easier on the bank account 8) you get to run the Toyo which is nearly indestructible... which translates to less tire per year... which translates to 9) not as much dough.
But, you didn't mention if AIX cost more or not...

[thomasmoran1]

Originally posted by svt_coupe
Hmm... Maybe if I lost a few pounds... :D

Actually... my car weighs 3260 with me in it (185-190lbs) and 1/2 tank of gas. That means I have 500 lbs to go... :(

I'm not sure why everyone wants to go AIX. I'd think that AI is 1) more affordable 2) closer competition since the limit 3) cheaper 4) more of a "spec" series and the competition is very close and FUN... not that AIX is not... 5) less expensive 6) REAL close to AIX performance wise - remember, a true 9.5:1 car is a seriously fast car... 7) easier on the bank account 8) you get to run the Toyo which is nearly indestructible... which translates to less tire per year... which translates to 9) not as much dough.

Bryan I see your point, but in Canada the class that we can run in has very little in the way of rules, except for safety stuff. We just want to make a really fast NA mustang and beable to take people for rides. For us racing is secondary with this car and when I decide to go racing seriouslly I would go open wheel (That will be a long time from now).

On the weight thing, do you have a tubulat K-member and coilovers all-around? And secondly do you know the weight difference between your lexan rear window and the standard glass?

Thomas

[johnbasf]

Originally posted by thomasmoran1
Well another season of open tracking is done for us and this winter our plan is to take out as much weight as we can. The car weights 3320 right now and we think we should be able to pull 250 pounds out. Right now the AC, heater core and stereo are all gone along with the stock seats and back seat.

The car right now does have a 6 point cage in it and we are going to add some more extensive door bars and rollover protection. We plan on pulling out all the carpet, adding a lexan rear window, every interior panel expect the dash is coming out and gutting the doors so there is nothing left except the door skins.

Basically we would like your guys input on if you think this is reasonable or not and secondly what are our cars weighting in at all striped out?

Thanks


Thomas and Mike :bounce: :bounce:You FINALLY removed the CARPET!!!!

[thomasmoran1]

Originally posted by johnbasf
:bounce: :bounce:You FINALLY removed the CARPET!!!!

Yep. John I finally convinced my old man:thumbsup: .We are going pure Banana style. I promise that you won't recognize the inside of that car when you see it next year!!! What is your car plan for the next year?

Thomas

[johnbasf]

Something similar to yours, don't tell anyone!!!! :D :D I have a wife to convince. :eek:

[thomasmoran1]

Originally posted by johnbasf
Something similar to yours, don't tell anyone!!!! :D :D I have a wife to convince. :eek:

Your secret is save with me:rotf: Are you thinking of doind any racing next year?

[johnbasf]

I really doubt next year. I have a LOT to learn. I WILL have some good in car next year. :D :D

[johnbasf]

I hope you make it to some AI races next year. You could teach those guys some tricks. You will bring that Canadien dish with you.

[thomasmoran1]

John next year you should check out a racing school were you can get your licence. I did the Panoz three day school and it was a blast. You will learn a ton and it will get you ready for that first race when ever that maybe.

Thomas

[thomasmoran1]

Originally posted by johnbasf
I hope you make it to some AI races next year. You could teach those guys some tricks. You will bring that Canadien dish with you.

A few tricks??? I'm going to give them a degree in the Thomas Moran school of driving.:rotf:

[COBRA #17]

Loose some weight FAT BOY !!!!! Tom was thinking of me instead of Shugg ( PUG) !!!:D
See you tomarrow FAT BOY !!!!! :thumbsup:



TEEE HEEE HEE TEEE HEEE HEE TEE HEEE
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
HOOV

[thomasmoran1]

Originally posted by COBRA #17
Loose some weight FAT BOY !!!!! Tom was thinking of me instead of Shugg ( PUG) !!!:D
See you tomarrow FAT BOY !!!!! :thumbsup:



TEEE HEEE HEE TEEE HEEE HEE TEE HEEE
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
HOOV

Are there any big differences form Shugg's car to yours? I'm jsut trying to get a felling for were I will end up.
Thomas

[justagt]

So, Bryan, are you saying that you prefer AI over AIX?

[justagt]

Thomas, IMHO, all of the interior stuff could go. Try to take out any wires or other things, like the automatic door locks, without tearing them up. That way you could reuse them or even sell those things. You may want to talk to Bryan of Tom in detail about most of it. I know those newer cars have all kinds or wiring harnesses in them and you don't want to cut something and then not be able to start the car!
Something else to consider is taking the stock dash out and putting in an aluminum dash to save weight. I have one in my car and it probably only weighs 5 pounds before the gauges.
One thing I personally wouldn' t recommend is taking the bumpers off or replacing the bumper braces with aluminum ones. IMHO, that isn't a good, safe way to take weight off.

[98banana]

Originally posted by justagt
Thomas, IMHO, all of the interior stuff could go. Try to take out any wires or other things, like the automatic door locks, without tearing them up. That way you could reuse them or even sell those things. You may want to talk to Bryan of Tom in detail about most of it. I know those newer cars have all kinds or wiring harnesses in them and you don't want to cut something and then not be able to start the car!
Something else to consider is taking the stock dash out and putting in an aluminum dash to save weight. I have one in my car and it probably only weighs 5 pounds before the gauges.
One thing I personally wouldn' t recommend is taking the bumpers off or replacing the bumper braces with aluminum ones. IMHO, that isn't a good, safe way to take weight off.

That's one of the reasons I'm going with a pushrod motor. PATS and wiring. When I removed my dash, window motors, speakers and door locks, I also removed the wiring. I nicked one wire that went to the guage cluster and that disabled the car because of the PATS. I got lucky and found it within a few minutes thanks to early advice from v8venom (Rob Ainscough).

In the banana, I still have the stock guage cluster tucked up under the aluminum dash because the car won't crank without it. I even have the key strategically tie-wrapped to the wiring harness so that I can have a pushbutton start. :D

I'll be custom wiring the Banana II to save weight. The stock harness is HEAVY.

Thomas, the door guts, windows and inner skin is a total of 45 lbs per door. Take out that Heater core and blower unit also. That's 18 lbs.

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by 98banana
Take out that Heater core and blower unit also. That's 18 lbs.

Hmmmm, are you sure you would do that if you lived up North? I could see you having a problem keeping the windows from fogging up on those cool mornings up here. I know my windows were fogging up pretty good last Sunday when it was cold and rainy. Just a thought.

[98banana]

Originally posted by Dean95CobraR
Hmmmm, are you sure you would do that if you lived up North? I could see you having a problem keeping the windows from fogging up on those cool mornings up here. I know my windows were fogging up pretty good last Sunday when it was cold and rainy. Just a thought.

Hmmmm... good point. But, will the fogging be as much of a problem with no interior and no windows on the sides. Reason I'm thinking this is because the temp differences from inside to outside will be much smaller with no insulation and glass.

I'm just theorizing, by the way. Rebuttals welcome!

[johnbasf]

[i]I'll be custom wiring the Banana II to save weight. The stock harness is HEAVY.

[/B]

Banana III, I'm II, :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by johnbasf
Banana III, I'm II, :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Personally I think I'm 'naner I!! :D

[98banana]

Originally posted by Dean95CobraR
Personally I think I'm 'naner I!! :D

Need a little history on that pic! :what:

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by 98banana
Need a little history on that pic! :what:


That was me way back in the winter of '93. I was running the 100cc Yamaha 2 stroke class. I headed down to Jacksonville, Florida over my Christmas break with a couple of guys that I worked with.

Karts were my first taste of wheel to wheel racin. I believe I raced for 3 seasons and then sold everything. I sure miss the competition. :thumbsup:

[NJ2000R]

Originally posted by Dean95CobraR
Personally I think I'm 'naner I!! :D :thumbsup: :thumbsup: cool, dean! my friend is Rich Cervone, builder of the Cervone Cyclone karts....
I never got my butt in one of those things, but they go like heck....alot faster than the 5hp kart I grew up with :rotf: :rotf:

[redsnake99]

Hey Dean, I used to race karts in eastern Indiana and western Ohio in the early 60's. All I remember was a West Bend 820 engine with three carburetors, a fuel mixture of gasoline, nitro and alcohol, 90 MPH speeds and no safety equipment.

WOW, how reckless we were in our teen years. Sure am glad we have matured to more sensible things these days!

:D

[COBRA #17]

Yes there are big differences in my car and the SHUG BUGGY !!!!
1st. his has his FAT A@@ in it !!!
2nd My car is Griggs !!!:thumbsup:
3rd He is A PUNK !!!!:p

On the serious side my car is quite different than Shuggs I have 341 Hp and my car weighs 3240 with me in it!!! You do the math !!!! :D :D Also my set up is quite different K member, Coilovers, TA, PHB, tremec 3550II,aburn pro, 331 Stroker!!! :thumbsup: and many other differences!!!

AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR
COBRA #17

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by NJ2000R
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: cool, dean! my friend is Rich Cervone, builder of the Cervone Cyclone karts....
I never got my butt in one of those things, but they go like heck....alot faster than the 5hp kart I grew up with :rotf: :rotf:

You really should give one a try. You wouldn't believe how much you learn about being smooth and the benifits of momentum. The g-forces one of those can produce can make you helmet feel like you have a bowling ball sitting on your shoulders. To think I gave it up because it was too expensive. :rolleyes: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by redsnake99
Hey Dean, I used to race karts in eastern Indiana and western Ohio in the early 60's. All I remember was a West Bend 820 engine with three carburetors, a fuel mixture of gasoline, nitro and alcohol, 90 MPH speeds and no safety equipment.

WOW, how reckless we were in our teen years. Sure am glad we have matured to more sensible things these days!

:D


LOL, yeah I can remember a West Bend class when I first started but it wasn't an unlimited class like yours was. It slowly dwindled away and I don't believe they run them anymore.

I had no idea that you ever raced carts. It is amazing how the racing bug never leaves!:bounce:

[98banana]

Originally posted by redsnake99
Hey Dean, I used to race karts in eastern Indiana and western Ohio in the early 60's. All I remember was a West Bend 820 engine with three carburetors, a fuel mixture of gasoline, nitro and alcohol, 90 MPH speeds and no safety equipment.

WOW, how reckless we were in our teen years. Sure am glad we have matured to more sensible things these days!

:D

EARLY 60'S ??? Did you guys chisel your wheels out of stone way back then? Just kiddin' with ya, you old fart! :D

[STU]

Dean, you were really #24? Let's see...both 24, both from the great state of Indiana, you both probably have a past champions carting privisional to use... Shrugg doesn't stand a chance next year. :D LOL

[STU]

Originally posted by Dean95CobraR
Personally I think I'm 'naner I!! :D

Is your elbow resting on top of the cylinder head?:eek:

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by STU
Dean, you were really #24? Let's see...both 24, both from the great state of Indiana, you both probably have a past champions carting privisional to use... Shrugg doesn't stand a chance next year. :D LOL


:rotf: :rotf:

Sorry but Indiana is not claiming the other #24. :doubt: He is actually from California (the land of fruits and nuts) where I wish he would have stayed. :D

Nope, no karting chapionships for me. :(

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by STU
Is your elbow resting on top of the cylinder head?:eek:


Naw, it is pretty close though. I had a pretty heavy drivers suit so I never felt too much heat through it. :D

[STU]

Originally posted by Dean95CobraR
:rotf: :rotf:

Sorry but Indiana is not claiming the other #24. :doubt: He is actually from California (the land of fruits and nuts) where I wish he would have stayed. :D

Nope, no karting chapionships for me. :(

Opps..Never mind :rolleyes: Your safe Bryan. LOL

[svt_coupe]

Originally posted by STU
Opps..Never mind :rolleyes: Your safe Bryan. LOL

LOL!!!!!!! Too funny.

BRING IT ON, SMELTZER!!!!!!! :D

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by svt_coupe
BRING IT ON, SMELTZER!!!!!!! :D



Well, ummmm, ahhhhh.......Sorry but I only have a skeleton of a car right now so I guess I'll save my smack talkin for when the car will actually move. :D


Sorry to disappoint you Shuggybutt! ;) :D :rotf:

[98banana]

Originally posted by Dean95CobraR
Well, ummmm, ahhhhh.......Sorry but I only have a skeleton of a car right now so I guess I'll save my smack talkin for when the car will actually move. :D


Sorry to disappoint you Shuggybutt! ;) :D :rotf:

No Dean, you need to start the smack talkin' now, before the car is built. That way, they may have forgotten all about it by the time next March swings around. That's what I'm gonna do...

All you guys suck. You're slow. I'm fast. You big weenie-heads!

See Dean, that's how it's done...

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by 98banana
You big weenie-heads!


Hmmmm, I don't think I could use such harsh language! That's brutal!;) :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[justagt]

Yeah, Dean, just like Tom said. Look at me -- I have been talking smack for the past year waiting on my car. Go ahead and talk the smack now.


Pearson, stay out of this one. :D

[kevin]

Originally posted by 98banana
[All you guys suck. You're slow. I'm fast. You big weenie-heads!

]

are you calling all the right coast a/i guys this or just shuggbutt?

if you're calling all of them that - doo it make any difference what kinda car you've got - they'll all be after ya:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

i would think you might want to call each of them something different. kinda like shugg is a weenie-head, tone is a weenie-butt, and hoover is just a weenie. hence they aren't all after you at once cause they each aggree with what you're calling the other;)

now, me, i wouldn't call any of them anything but respectable names.:D

btw, you east coast weenies your butt's mine in march




damn tom, now you got me dooing it:eek: :D

[98banana]

Originally posted by kevin
are you calling all the right coast a/i guys this or just shuggbutt?

if you're calling all of them that - doo it make any difference what kinda car you've got - they'll all be after ya:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

i would think you might want to call each of them something different. kinda like shugg is a weenie-head, tone is a weenie-butt, and hoover is just a weenie. hence they aren't all after you at once cause they each aggree with what you're calling the other;)

now, me, i wouldn't call any of them anything but respectable names.:D

btw, you east coast weenies your butt's mine in march




damn tom, now you got me dooing it:eek: :D

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[johnbasf]

Originally posted by justagt
Yeah, Dean, just like Tom said. Look at me -- I have been talking smack for the past year waiting on my car. Go ahead and talk the smack now.


Pearson, stay out of this one. :D

And STILL only TALKING!!!!!!! :D :D

[COBRA #17]

Good point John ALL TALK !!!!!!!:321: :bs:

WE'LL BE THERE, WILL YOU ?!?!:moon:

A LITTLE LESS TALK AND ALOT MORE ACTION

:blast: :flush:




AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR
COBRA #17

[kevin]

i must apologize to the east coast a/i folks. i have no clue what got into me in the above post.

i can only think it was a moment of weakness generated by the nanner man.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[98banana]

Originally posted by kevin
i must apologize to the east coast a/i folks. i have no clue what got into me in the above post.

i can only think it was a moment of weakness generated by the nanner man.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

I've been known to bring out the best in people. Especially the slow ones... :D :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by 98banana
I've been known to bring out the best in people. Especially the slow ones... :D :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


OUCH!!http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/images/smile1/bash.gif:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[Cobra-R]

Originally posted by Dean95CobraR
Personally I think I'm 'naner I!! :D

http://www.svtcobraclub.com/svtbbs2/attachment.php?postid=84118


Is it me or does Deans eye's look like they are closed?????? You got a special cornering secret you would like to share with us, Dean???:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[Dean95CobraR]

Originally posted by Cobra-R
Is it me or does Deans eye's look like they are closed?????? You got a special cornering secret you would like to share with us, Dean???:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


:eek: :eek: Secrets are meant to be kept. :D

[Cobra-R]

Originally posted by Dean95CobraR
:eek: :eek: Secrets are meant to be kept. :D

We won't tell anyone......really!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D

[kevin]

Originally posted by 98banana
I've been known to bring out the best in people. Especially the slow ones... :D :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: you mean'n to move to the east coast?:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[svt_coupe]

"weenie-head"

I'm not gonna go there. :D :D

Those Colorado guys really are affected by the high altitude, huh? Must be the lack of O2. :D LMAO!!!!

[kevin]

Originally posted by svt_coupe
"weenie-head"

I'm not gonna go there. :D :D

Those Colorado guys really are affected by the high altitude, huh? Must be the lack of O2. :D LMAO!!!!

well, i just don't know what to say.

hey nanner man - you want to take this one?:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[98banana]

Originally posted by kevin
well, i just don't know what to say.

hey nanner man - you want to take this one?:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

I don't know... that sounded like it was directed towards you, not me. :D

[kevin]

Originally posted by 98banana
I don't know... that sounded like it was directed towards you, not me. :D

so what you're saying ie - shoot the messenger?:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[wildhorsesracin]

Originally posted by kevin:
are you calling all the right coast a/i guys this or just shuggbutt?

i would think you might want to call each of them something different. kinda like shugg is a weenie-head, tone is a weenie-butt, and hoover is just a weenie. hence they aren't all after you at once cause they each aggree with what you're calling the other

now, me, i wouldn't call any of them anything but respectable names.

btw, you east coast weenies your butt's mine in march


wouldn't shuggybutt be the butt-a-weeni? or buns-of-ween?
tone is the jet.set.weenie...
and of course hoovy is just plain ole hill.billi.weeni!!!
now next year we'll have will.wait.for.me.weenie...sadler

-of course this is all just in fun - as ALL of you would have to pass ME -plowboy.holesaw.weenie- before you can race with them...
right john? :D

[COBRA #17]

Yes Jim we usually pass you as we lap you!!:rotf: :thumbsup:

So will should get that experience early!!!:thumbsup: :D

Rumor is you are going IMPORT !!!:doubt: What the HELL is up with that ??:( :doubt:



AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR
COBRA #17

[wildhorsesracin]

If I build one, it will be strictly for race & resale... I have to finance my addiction somehow... I am also thinking about building a FFR Spec Cobra

I thoroughly plan to pass your 'arse' many times next year - and not like this year - when I passed you simply because you were broken down on the side of the track :D :eek: :flash: :moon: :spanked: