The New Shelby Cobra!

[jjraiser]

Well, some of you have heard my banter and whining about the rumors of a solid rear axle (SRA) Cobra. I first want to say the new Shelby Cobra GT500 is a very beautiful car! I do love the looks and styling very much. The name is okay too, but not my first choice. Ford did a great job on the 2005 Mustang and the 2007 Cobra is equally beautiful.

I want to say another thing about the new Cobra. NOOOOOOOOO!!!! :eek:

I dreaded the prospect of an SRA Cobra. It worse than that, however. The new car has a huge iron block. Add the intercooler and supercharger and this is one heavy, heavy engine. Can you say understeer? Keep in mind the Mustang GT is 3500+ pounds. Add this engine, larger wheels, brakes, tranny, chassis stiffening, and full leather power seats, and you have one heavy car. This will not be a high performance sports car. Hell, it won't make a good drag car either at the probable 3700 pound weight. The engine only has 60 more horses than the 2003/4 Cobras? Hell, we all know our 2003/4 Cobras are easily tuned (EASILY) to 425+ horsepower. That's without internal upgrades.

What did Thai-Tang really add to this Cobra? 19" rims? Big deal, I have 18" and we all upgrade rims anyway. Rims wearing 255 tires? Please! 14" Brembos? Big deal, I have those too...and mine are aluminum hatted rotors!!! 60 more horse power? Big deal, 03/04 Cobras are easily tuned to 450hp! It's the same tranny. Slower gears (3:31 on the new car versus the 3:55 on 03/04s). Stiffer springs and dampers? So what, I have those too. In short, my modified 2003 Cobra is as good or better (with IRS) than the new Cobra and it still COST ME LESS with all my mods, to include lightweight Recaros! This new Cobra is not a performance value! I'll wait for the performance numbers, but I'm not optimistic. Notice Ford did not release any numbers on weight in their article (Ref: stangnet.com). Besides, it just won't handle as well as a lighter car. I don't care about horsepower, physics rule with regard to handling, and a heavy car is a pig of a car.

As far as it's competition? I've been maintainting (still do) that it's to compete with the Z06 and Viper. But assume the competition is a base Corvette. No way does this new Cobra stack up. The heavy weight and SRA just make the Cobra out-classed by the Base Corvette, even without the Z51 package. Big deal this new car won a race this year. That was on a smooth track, not the street where this new Cobra will be driven; as are the Covettes, GTOs, Z06s, and Vipers.

The new Cobra is beautiful, but the design and engineering stinks. It's an all-show-no-go car. Thai-Tang boned this one up badly. My next sports car will, in fact, be a sports car. It'll be a new Z06! :thumbsup:

Thai-Tang and SVT, you stink! :mad:

[ausie]

I am happy that I own an 04 SVT, :D


The 03/04 is probably the best Mustang ever.


Don't frown on the new Cobra yet, wait for the first hand driving reviews (when drivers get to take it to its limits).

With only 60 more hp and 3.31 gears, :rolleyes: I would rather have the 3.55 and the smaller Eaton induced 4.6L with pullies, or even a whipple charger. :D

[Davesnake]

When I saw the new 05 design at the Ford 100th I decided to buy an 03....I didn't like the 05 looks....and still don't.

Plus I haven't seen the new Cobra's curb weight my guess, it's a tank.

Dave

[Levi]

Just wait, there will be 5 versions of the SVT Cobra. One will turn your head sooner or later. :D

[Zedoc]

I don't get it? You guys are referring to statistics and facts like they are already well known. THey aren't. Why don't you share your spec sheet with the forum? Is this just private information speculation or do you really know something? WHy don't you say where you're getting all your info?

[davelegguy]

Get on the ground and take some pictures to post here.

[Stevenbekah]

Hey, evolution is evolution.

I'm sure by the time this car actually goes into production, it will be what we're hoping it will be.

Plus, I'm positive that with the same types of mods, you'll see even more HP gains.

Think about it; if you're starting with 450 and you add a CAI, plus better exhaust you'll be around 500 anyway. Then you add a newer pulley and wait for the "tuner" companies to work their magic and you might end up with a 600 HP at the crank car!

That by the way, is more advanced in just about every aspect as our car is. Let's face it, we've got seriously bad @$$ rides that ride on a 25 year old chassis. I traded an 04' G35 coupe in on my cobra vert MAINLY because I can't seem to get away from that ol' detroit iron growl (plus there is nothing wrong with owning a convertable!!) but let me tell ya', I miss the refinement of that Infiniti. The new mustang is so much more refined in everthing that it does.

So in the end, I can deal with some of what's being mentioned above by a variety of posters to have truly a NEW car from the ground up. Oh, and putting some aftermarket wheels and tires on that new Cobra is going to look SWEEET!

:thumbsup:

[Levi]

Info supplied by Ford (http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/mustang/mustang_info.doc)

[smashedheadcat]

If this car weighs in at 3700lbs then it's not much different than an 03 cobra. The '03s aren't exactly what you'd call a light car either. It's no secret that it takes some modifications to make any late model mustang handle. But, not everyone is a corner carver. I'm not. I could care less if this thing pulls a "g" on a skid pad or not. Personally, I like the solid axle in the rear. I like to accelerate in a straight line. A lot of people do. Not only that, the solid axle weighs considerably less than an irs setup (reference '99-'04 cobras). So if that remains true, then the SRA is an attempt at weight reductions. Also, durability of course. The solid axle saves me from an IRS swap in the future. Of course, a proper setup IRS will do well at a track, but not better than the good old stick axle. Also, one of the more obvious reasons for the SRA is saving money. Everyone wants all this power, none of the weight, and everyone wants a different suspension and everyone wants it to be cheap. The facts are they are giving us a serious engine, just like we asked for since the beginning. "we need more power to hold off the camaros." Well, they gave it to us in the '03. And they gave it to us at a great price. I guess my point is, no matter what they do, someone isn't going to like it. That's why there is an aftermarket. The '03 cobra IRS is just crammed under a platform that was designed to hold one. The attach points of the IRS are the same as the stick axle. This setup is a nightmare and costs serious money to make handle. From what I see, the quickest handling streetable mustangs use a Griggs or Maximum motorsports equipped solid axle. Everyone likes the ride of the IRS, but they don't ride much, if any better than my friend's mach 1 IMO. To each their own, but I love this new Shelby car and I have every intention of getting one if possible. Also, for those that want to see pictures of the new Shelby Cobra GT500........ here they are...

click for pics (http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/)

[FearTheSnake]

Afraid to see the price tag.

[Davesnake]

Josh,

If that car comes in at 3700lbs I'll be amazed....The other big issue with it is tire size, you can only fit a 275 maximum on the 05 body style. and from what I here even that will rub, there simply is not enough room in the wheelwells. 255's on this car looks like elastic bands.

Dave

[STANGBUM]

I'm with you Josh, it is a beautiful car and if I can, I will purchase one.
I am calling an SVT dealership near me tommorrow. and see if I can get on a list for ordering. :thumbsup:

Seems like most of the people that have problems with the new cobra own a 2003-2004 cobra and the ones that like it own an older model cobra........strange? :eek:

[Aaron94]

Bring on the GT500!

I love it! I like the subtle design changes from the new Mustang GT. I am glad to see the fog lights go. I am glad to see the very clean looking door panels, big improvement of the the current mustang. Now if they could just do something about the ebrake! The body package is awesome! subtle, no huge wing, tastful spliter, and rear valence. I like that the mufflers are now hidden.

I am with Josh on the SRA, but I am partial since I own one... Less to break, more durable. A properly set up SRA can perform just as good as an IRS in my opinion. And perhaps Josh can attest to that, by how closely i was following him on the Dragon last summer! :D (No comment on what happened on the way to the 311 dragway... ) ;)

The hardest thing for me about the new Cobra... I wouldnt be able to afford it without selling my '94, and I don't know that I could do that! :thumbsup:

[jjraiser]

I like seeing all the comments. I know some of you are glad to see the SRA on the Cobra. I don't think the SRA is bad, I just don't think it should be on this car, considering the market. Also, many of the comments about an SRA performing as well as IRS is only somewhat true and only on a smooth and flat track. It true on the strip that the SRA is better.

However, this car will be driven on the street where an SRA will either get you in trouble in turns, or you at least have to take turns slower. I had a 2000 GT, I know how unstable an SRA can be. Yes, this new set up is great. But, you cannot unsettle one weel without unsettling the other wheel with a solid axle. There's no way to isolate the movement. The creates instability; subsequently slower speeds. This is especially true with high-performance, low profile tires on 18/19" rims.

Yes, an SRA has its benefits. And I'm not completely against them. It is merely my preference, AND I don't think this is the right car to have an SRA. I mean, what the hell, SVT is going to give the 2007 SVT Sport Trac an IRS and a lightweight-design approach. Why shouldn't the Cobra get the same? Thai-Tang was not creative in the mechanical set up on this car at all, in my opinion.

As far as weight, none one can be happy about this; road course, street drivers, or dragstrip types. This car, I predict, will top 3700 pounds. The Mustang GT, with an aluminum 4.6, 17" wheels, etc. is over 3500. We'll see, but I don't think I'm wrong. If I am, I'll own up to it.

The comment was made that the 03/04 are heavy too. Yes, they are; but for thousands less. The comment was made that the IRS in the 03/04 made them heavier than their SRA counterparts. True, but only because of that damn steel tube "adapter" rack which converts the SRA mounting points to the bolt-in IRS. This would not be true for the new Cobra, however. The new Cobra's chassis was designed to hold an IRS suspension and aluminum control arms would not be heavier on the new Cobra had they built one. So, I don't think the car would be any heavier with an IRS.

The hopeful comment on more variations to the Cobra is good to hear, but I'll believe it when I see it (any insight on where that was heard?).

I like the new Cobra, just not enough to drop $40K on the heavy pig. You SRA-types, enjoy it, it is a nice looking car. The weight, however, will be an issue I think.

[ausie]

I did a search on the 07 SVT Cobra, at first I thought the release date was a few days away yet. Apparently I found myself in a Pontiac GTO forum. :rotf: They seemed worried that there would be a nother killer Cobra to watch out for like the 03/04 models. Wherever the pictures came from and the information which was probably parts from an article. According to them, the new snake will have options for IRS(optional) and SRA (standard). Also, the lysholm twin screw (same used on GT) with a little underdrive will be part of the mix. If what I read was true, then you can get the Cobra the way you want it. :thumbsup: I can wait for the real deal from the NY auto show.

[cobra330]

I too am glad I have an 04...The 07 is nice but, still not yet fully grown on me..I think it will eventually..and then maybe I will get one...after I pay off the 04!

[djbobbyzee]

I too am glad I have an 04...The 07 is nice but, still not yet fully grown on me..I think it will eventually..and then maybe I will get one...after I pay off the 04!

:rolleyes:
Call me a scavenger, but I can't WAIT till y'all start sellin' your used 03 & 04 Cobras! I'll finally be able to afford one. Keep me in mind. Personally, I'm working on credit repair... so maybe one day I'll have to choose between a new house & a 07 Cobra. (Cobra wins of course).

I love the fact that the GM crowd is buzzin' & worried about ANOTHER kill by Blue Oval. Thanks for the pics link, plan on showing that to "wifey" & starting the 2 year warm up process of "isn't it a nice car dear? Our future children will LOVE being driven to school in it..." 2007... plenty of time to start saving.

Since day 1 of the Mustang, Ford has focused on building an "affordable" sports car. At the $40K price range & HP rivaling the Viper & Vette... the 07 Cobra STILL cusps "affodable."

I say Git Er Dun SVT!
:thumbsup:

[beerkat]

Here is some more on the '07.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/18/Autos/ford_shelby_gt500/index.htm (http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/18/Autos/ford_shelby_gt500/index.htm)

[Aaron94]

A link to some photo's...

http://www.gotmustang.com/Default.aspx?tabid=217

[cobra330]

Okay...I will take a 15th anniversary one in 08...Where do I place my order?

[Mystic_Cobra]

Afraid to see the price tag.

Early reports were 40K. Hau Thai-Tang, the project lead said it will be close to 35K than 40k. More money for mods!!
:bounce:

It'll be a hot performer. You guys can keep your Z06s (at twice the price). More money for mods.

[Mystic_Cobra]

Josh,

If that car comes in at 3700lbs I'll be amazed....The other big issue with it is tire size, you can only fit a 275 maximum on the 05 body style. and from what I here even that will rub, there simply is not enough room in the wheelwells. 255's on this car looks like elastic bands.

Dave

I've seen 05 GTs with tires bigger than 275s. There's plenty of room. They designed the fenders so you can fit more tire with a tighter look.

[ausie]

Here is the site that I thought was ammusing :rotf:


http://www.newagegto.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3695

[ausie]

Looks like I need a whipple if I want to keep up. That will cost less than a trade in :D . Just wondering it there is a cog set up for the Kenn Bell or Whipple?

[cobra330]

Yep...I just showed the car to my girlfriend..she said it looked nice..so, I said yeah..look real nice when I pick up one in 08 right? Right next to the 04? I did not get a no or pack your bags so, I will take that is an okay to get it!!

[djbobbyzee]

Here is the site that I thought was ammusing :rotf:


http://www.newagegto.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3695

:bounce:
I love GTO, TA, & Z28 owners. They're so funny. So disgruntled about the fact... (FACT, not opinion) ... fact that WE have a smaller motor displacement & can whip their arses. And SVT is about to do it again. 5.4 puts a 5.7 to shame.

Poor little GM owners. Getting so frazzled. :baby: Maybe they should buy a HaHaHonda, the GTO's styling are starting to look like them anyway.

Yes. I have a Z28 skeleton in my closet. I sold it to buy tires for my Cobra.

:-D

[RF Cobra]

:bounce:

Yes. I have a Z28 skeleton in my closet. I sold it to buy tires for my Cobra.

:-D

I guess only having to pay for 3 of the 4 tires isn't so bad! ;) :rotf:

[Twice Bitten]

You can see what I have in my avatar. If the '03-04 are so great, why have we spent so much money on upgrading them? If you take into account what you paid for your cars and add in the mods, you are not that far off from a brand new '07 cobra that has a lot things that we have added to our Terminators. Plus the old saying is true,"There is no replacement for displacement!"

If you like the new car, let the crazies buy the first ones and pay over MSRP, then about 3 months later you can go in and negotiate with the SVT dealers. I did that ith my '03 and paid very close to invoice.

[Davesnake]

I've seen 05 GTs with tires bigger than 275s. There's plenty of room. They designed the fenders so you can fit more tire with a tighter look.


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Originally Posted by Black96SVT
Only 255's do go with those 19's tho

I heard only 2700 of them are going to be made the first year, so better get ready everybody!



That's because there isn't room ! I've posted many times, this new body style lacks the room for big meats as 315's on the 03/04's. My buddy had the 05 on the hoist.......requires major mods. I've also seen several at a local custom car show..........275's and that's it..........even that was tight, I'd bet they would have rubbed somewhere for daily driving. Even stock with 450Hp, this car will be hard to hook. I know it's not in the same league but 335's on Vipers, 325's on the Z06 looks real bad a$$. Sad really, need to spend probably $55K canadian on the 07 and another few thou for chassis mods...........I'll pass right now.




This is what I was going on....take a pic of 315's on one then I'll believe it.

Dave
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[9Cobra9]

The 07 cobra is pretty BAD. cant wait to actually see them when they come out:thumbsup:

[Copperhead]

Has anyone considered that with a mere pulley swap and tune (maybe exhaust and intake) this motor should be over 750bhp?

Consider, the biggest HP upgrade we can do is the KB or Whipple. On this car, it is already done. The twin screw Terminators at or near 24psi are making about 700 to 750bhp. Is it not reasonable to assume that this motor, being more than 10% larger, should make more than 10% more HP than our motors when they are KB'd?

That would mean that if you spin this new motor's blower to 24psi (assuming it will handle it, which I'm sure it will) you could be looking at over 800bhp for less than $300 in mod money.

With that kind of power, you can slow down through the turns and run them down on the staights. Then dust a viper or 2 on the way home. Maybe even a Modena.

[Bartman01]

Don't bash IRS based on the 99-04 Cobras. IRS was an afterthought on this chasis, and was designed with an emphasis on fitting the stock mounting points for the SRA rather than maximal performance. Even at that they did a decent job with it. My guess on the SRA decision would be these three reasons:

Performance - The SRA performs well on the 05, possibly better than Ford expected.
Cost- using SRA = less development time and known variables plus fewer niche line parts.
Breakage - there are breakage issues with the 03/04 Cobra IRS. The 07 adds more power (in factory trim) and increases the possible number of warranty claims. Yes I know Ford tries to deny any such warranty claims as "abuse", but don't think they don't factor the possiblility in.

[smashedheadcat]

Don't bash IRS based on the 99-04 Cobras. IRS was an afterthought on this chasis, and was designed with an emphasis on fitting the stock mounting points for the SRA rather than maximal performance. Even at that they did a decent job with it. My guess on the SRA decision would be these three reasons:

Performance - The SRA performs well on the 05, possibly better than Ford expected.
Cost- using SRA = less development time and known variables plus fewer niche line parts.
Breakage - there are breakage issues with the 03/04 Cobra IRS. The 07 adds more power (in factory trim) and increases the possible number of warranty claims. Yes I know Ford tries to deny any such warranty claims as "abuse", but don't think they don't factor the possiblility in.

I just bashed the IRS because of every reason you listed. Why is this inferior piece in these cars? If it can't handle the power that the car has stock, it's heavy, and from my personal expirience (I own an '03 and a '97), the '03 doesn't ride much better than my 97. What does this afterthought's benefit? People say the IRS makes a cobra a cobra.... but to me, the 99-04 IRS is exactly what you said, "an afterthought on this chasis, and was designed with an emphasis on fitting the stock mounting points for the SRA rather than maximal performance." Now, for what I use my '03 cobra for, the IRS is fine. At my mild power level and drag radials, I can control wheel hop and save my half shafts. But, I haven't ran it at the track since the 5th anniversary celebration. Basically, all I'm saying is that if the IRS is designed with a clean slate, I have no problems with it, but if it's poor, I don't want to have to spend upwards of $3000 (level 5 half shafts, bushings, diff brace, shocks, springs) to fix it.

Also, I know this post sounds bad, but I can't think of any other way to reword it. I have no intentions of being rude, I was just explaining my personal thoughts of the IRS in the 99-04 cars. Sure, if you spend the money, the IRS is wonderful, but the way it comes from the factory..... they left a lot of work to be done.

Josh

[BudMan]

I too am glad I have an 04...The 07 is nice but, still not yet fully grown on me..I think it will eventually..and then maybe I will get one...after I pay off the 04!
Mike, how many miles you got on that yellow machine now???????? Duffey

[cobra330]

Mike, how many miles you got on that yellow machine now???????? Duffey

Just flipped 1100....lots of trips to Southern MD...for help on parts install.

Oh yeah..and for the most part it's official..I will be buying an 08 Cobra..late in 08..looks like I have approval from my better half...at least for now I do. LOL!

[secondchance]

I just bashed the IRS because of every reason you listed. Why is this inferior piece in these cars? If it can't handle the power that the car has stock, it's heavy, and from my personal expirience (I own an '03 and a '97), the '03 doesn't ride much better than my 97. What does this afterthought's benefit? People say the IRS makes a cobra a cobra.... but to me, the 99-04 IRS is exactly what you said, "an afterthought on this chasis, and was designed with an emphasis on fitting the stock mounting points for the SRA rather than maximal performance." Now, for what I use my '03 cobra for, the IRS is fine. At my mild power level and drag radials, I can control wheel hop and save my half shafts. But, I haven't ran it at the track since the 5th anniversary celebration. Basically, all I'm saying is that if the IRS is designed with a clean slate, I have no problems with it, but if it's poor, I don't want to have to spend upwards of $3000 (level 5 half shafts, bushings, diff brace, shocks, springs) to fix it.

Also, I know this post sounds bad, but I can't think of any other way to reword it. I have no intentions of being rude, I was just explaining my personal thoughts of the IRS in the 99-04 cars. Sure, if you spend the money, the IRS is wonderful, but the way it comes from the factory..... they left a lot of work to be done.

Josh

I went to the NY auto show today and spent most of my time there examining the new cobra and talking with the ford reps. The car is awsome. The show was lightly attended while I was there but it seemed like everyone was gathered around the cobra. I took alot of pictures but they are not as good as the publicity shots so no need to post.

I was told by a Ford engineer that a Jaguar derived IRS design has already been completed but was not fitted mainly due to cost and reliability concerns and he also noted that the SRA was working very well in the GT. There is a possibility that it will become available later as an option. This all seems to bear out what you have been saying. No cost figure was given but the man with the mike on the rotating platform said to expect 40-45K. This seems a bit rich to me since other than the 5.4 and the twin screw the car is not significantly better equipped than my '03.

I spent some time looking at the engine and poked my camera underneath. This car has been driven. There appears to be a bit of rust already on some of the SRA components. The detailing of the engine bay could use some attention. The cam covers and SC seem to have some sort of gray-black crackel finish that looks a bit plain. The SC looks like someone left a toaster on the engine. The box for the air cleaner is HUGE. I have hi-res pictures of this as well but will need to reduce them down a bit to post.

[Butcher]

I just bashed the IRS because of every reason you listed. Why is this inferior piece in these cars? If it can't handle the power that the car has stock, it's heavy, and from my personal expirience (I own an '03 and a '97), the '03 doesn't ride much better than my 97. What does this afterthought's benefit? People say the IRS makes a cobra a cobra.... but to me, the 99-04 IRS is exactly what you said, "an afterthought on this chasis, and was designed with an emphasis on fitting the stock mounting points for the SRA rather than maximal performance." Now, for what I use my '03 cobra for, the IRS is fine. At my mild power level and drag radials, I can control wheel hop and save my half shafts. But, I haven't ran it at the track since the 5th anniversary celebration. Basically, all I'm saying is that if the IRS is designed with a clean slate, I have no problems with it, but if it's poor, I don't want to have to spend upwards of $3000 (level 5 half shafts, bushings, diff brace, shocks, springs) to fix it.

Also, I know this post sounds bad, but I can't think of any other way to reword it. I have no intentions of being rude, I was just explaining my personal thoughts of the IRS in the 99-04 cars. Sure, if you spend the money, the IRS is wonderful, but the way it comes from the factory..... they left a lot of work to be done.

JoshPost is in no way rude, its completely relative. Of course this is depending on what your intentions are with your car. I have 1435 miles on my 04, and I snatched the IRS and built an 8.8 for it. I don't run it on a road course, but with the mods available, I could competitively in my opinion. I've witnessed a car built by Strictly Performance in Houston run 9.80's with the IRS and 6 speed. My hats off to the driver. They sprayed the snot out of it, but it happened and I saw it. The IRS is fragile as hell, even with the high dollar half shafts and anyone will pay an arm and a leg maintaining this unit. FMC built a killer mod motor and stuck it in the mix with fragile parts for 1/4 mile duty. You have to satisfy everyone obviously, or the vast majority. The vast majority runs roadcourse or really mild street. Dyno numbers mean nothing if your not applying the power to the tires, and street tires dont begin to work the half shafts. Throw a set of 10's or 10.5's on that irs, see how many passes you make. Again, not a bash, just uncompromised reality. I pulled the 6 speed, tossed in a c4/pro brake with a 4800 stall. Imagine if I ran the IRS. oooops. I'd buy half shafts every 6 passes, easily maintenance wise. Not economically viable, especially considering the molecular structure of metals these days. The IRS is a good rearend overall for the majority of individuals, just not for people planting real world HP to the tires. ;)

Oh, did I mention I have an 04 IRS girdled, bushings, for sale? Only has 1435.4 miles on it ;)

Jimmie

[Twice Bitten]

Jimmie, your back :thumbsup: . How is that orange beast of yours running?

[Butcher]

Jimmie, your back :thumbsup: . How is that orange beast of yours running?Wow.. ;) You asked, dammit....heh.

9.62@144 in the 1/4. We shut the car off at the 1000 mark to test the new Aerospace brakes or we'd have run a SOLID 9.50+@146 or 7. We needed to see how bad we needed to shut it off. Fastest ModMotor time of the event. Know what sucks? Thats the 14th pass on the car. We're still shaking it down. I havent had a chance to drive it yet. AGAIN, I'll stress. This is a completely STOCK longblock, factory plugs. We pulled and changed them since the event. However, the valvecovers and oilpan are still intact, and no spray. Factory heads. Factory camshafts. The video I took firme is editing for me was from the Fun Ford Event in Baton Rouge. Shows all. I'll be in Baytown for the next event with the hood up so the guys are welcome to dissect the motor. Slicks crapped on us in 14 shakedown passes or who knows what would have happened. Brutal horsepower with the ProCharger/SCT setup. A 1.29 60 ft losing pass, lifes a biatch. We cut a .001 light losing pass to. Hello. :)

Bad (or good) thing? You guys created this animal. If it wasn't for the Club guys here, reading, learning, growing the 3rd chubby, I wouldnt have a wolf in sheeps clothing streetwise, and yes, it's a streeter. Believe me it is. Again, this motor isnt sprayed or tweaked. Thank you FMC for the bulletproof setup.
Also, if ProCharger werent thrown into the mix, we'd be using KenneBell and just competing instead of setting the mark.
We'll attend Baytown FunFord at the end of the month, and then head to St.Louis for the Cobra Shootout/World Challenge 12th - 15th and see if the Orange 3500 pound behemoth will make Mr. Ford proud.

Oh yeah. The www.svtcobraclub.com (http://www.svtcobraclub.com/) sticker is PERMANENTLY affixed to the rear glass. Yep. I said freaking GLASS ( weigh the rear glass ... hahaha).

Jimmie

[Twice Bitten]

Wow.. ;) You asked, dammit....heh.

9.62@144 in the 1/4. We shut the car off at the 1000 mark to test the new Aerospace brakes or we'd have run a SOLID 9.50+@146 or 7. We needed to see how bad we needed to shut it off. Fastest ModMotor time of the event. Know what sucks? Thats the 14th pass on the car. We're still shaking it down. I havent had a chance to drive it yet. AGAIN, I'll stress. This is a completely STOCK longblock, factory plugs. We pulled and changed them since the event. However, the valvecovers and oilpan are still intact, and no spray. Factory heads. Factory camshafts. The video I took firme is editing for me was from the Fun Ford Event in Baton Rouge. Shows all. I'll be in Baytown for the next event with the hood up so the guys are welcome to dissect the motor. Slicks crapped on us in 14 shakedown passes or who knows what would have happened. Brutal horsepower with the ProCharger/SCT setup. A 1.29 60 ft losing pass, lifes a biatch. We cut a .001 light losing pass to. Hello. :)

Bad (or good) thing? You guys created this animal. If it wasn't for the Club guys here, reading, learning, growing the 3rd chubby, I wouldnt have a wolf in sheeps clothing streetwise, and yes, it's a streeter. Believe me it is. Again, this motor isnt sprayed or tweaked. Thank you FMC for the bulletproof setup.
Also, if ProCharger werent thrown into the mix, we'd be using KenneBell and just competing instead of setting the mark.
We'll attend Baytown FunFord at the end of the month, and then head to St.Louis for the Cobra Shootout/World Challenge 12th - 15th and see if the Orange 3500 pound behemoth will make Mr. Ford proud.

Oh yeah. The www.svtcobraclub.com (http://www.svtcobraclub.com/) sticker is PERMANENTLY affixed to the rear glass. Yep. I said freaking GLASS ( weigh the rear glass ... hahaha).

Jimmie



Are you driving the beast? Or is someone else? I do enjoy the whistle coming form under the hood :thumbsup:

[Butcher]

Are you driving the beast? Or is someone else? I do enjoy the whistle coming form under the hood :thumbsup:Daniel Pachar drives it currently. It's on its 14th shakedown pass. I'd be a blithering idiot to raise cain about driving. He cuts sub .100 lights. :) Our losing pass was on a 500 protree at FunFord in Baton Rouge, and he cut a .001 light losing pass. That would be like me telling you guys, "Ok, have fun with my girlfriend".
He drives, designs, sets up, and tunes the car. I have yet to meet anyone his age with the intelligence. Check out Triangle Speed Shop at www.trianglespeedshop.com (http://www.trianglespeedshop.com/). Oh, and yes, they save the website money for learning...heh.

I figure I'm going to build a renegade car for him to drive so I can have my Cobra back. We'll be in Baytown the end of the month for FunFord, then head to St. Louis for the shootout from the 12th - 15th to see if Mr Ford will be happy. 3450 pounds with the driver, 9.62@144 he should be. :) This is a stock long block, et and mph on factory plugs, honest to christ.

The car will be in Baytown with the hood up so the guys can dissect the motor and car top to bottom. Daniel will be available to answer any questions of course.
I have a bucketload of pics all throughout the cars build so I can show them if needed. Guess what? You know I have a ton of parts for sale. The car has 1450 miles on it currently ... heh. The Houston guys know us, and we'll be there.

Jimmie

[Twice Bitten]

Daniel Pachar drives it currently. It's on its 14th shakedown pass. I'd be a blithering idiot to raise cain about driving. He cuts sub .100 lights. :) Our losing pass was on a 500 protree at FunFord in Baton Rouge, and he cut a .001 light losing pass. That would be like me telling you guys, "Ok, have fun with my girlfriend".
He drives, designs, sets up, and tunes the car. I have yet to meet anyone his age with the intelligence. Check out Triangle Speed Shop at www.trianglespeedshop.com (http://www.trianglespeedshop.com/). Oh, and yes, they save the website money for learning...heh.

I figure I'm going to build a renegade car for him to drive so I can have my Cobra back. We'll be in Baytown the end of the month for FunFord, then head to St. Louis for the shootout from the 12th - 15th to see if Mr Ford will be happy. 3450 pounds with the driver, 9.62@144 he should be. :) This is a stock long block, et and mph on factory plugs, honest to christ.

The car will be in Baytown with the hood up so the guys can dissect the motor and car top to bottom. Daniel will be available to answer any questions of course.
I have a bucketload of pics all throughout the cars build so I can show them if needed. Guess what? You know I have a ton of parts for sale. The car has 1450 miles on it currently ... heh. The Houston guys know us, and we'll be there.

Jimmie

Those are some insane 1/4 times, for such a heavy car and not to be using laughing gas :thumbsup: . But I will attest that you are not spraying :nope: . I have already seen what under the hood, plus you let me check everything out before you started with the safety items. I have a suggestion for you, you have already done this, it is about the IC unit. I will email it to you. :rolleyes: :eek:

[ProfChaos]

It's nice to see that a new phase of the GT500 legend is about to begin...Bravo! Carroll Shelby.

cheers,
ProfChaos

[blk04cobra1]

Im on the list....:bounce:

[Cobra4me]

Early reports were 40K. Hau Thai-Tang, the project lead said it will be close to 35K than 40k. More money for mods!!
:bounce:

It'll be a hot performer. You guys can keep your Z06s (at twice the price). More money for mods.
A salesman at a local ford dealership told me it would be in the 80's. I told him he had be to be kidding!! I hope this country hick did not know what he was talking about.
Robk

[Mirage]

robk17th~ Listen, I've been a FORD person all my life but as much as I like their products, I wouldn't pay $80,000 for a Cobra. The beauty of FORD (not withstanding the FORD GT) is the mentality of "Best bang for the buck." Look at the Mustang GT of today and you get 300 HP for not a lot of money. Sure, once you approach 500 HP "out of the box" things change but still, $80,000 is quite a price tag. I'm very content with my '03 Cobra. :cool:

[Cobra4me]

robk17th~ Listen, I've been a FORD person all my life but as much as I like their products, I wouldn't pay $80,000 for a Cobra. The beauty of FORD (not withstanding the FORD GT) is the mentality of "Best bang for the buck." Look at the Mustang GT of today and you get 300 HP for not a lot of money. Sure, once you approach 500 HP "out of the box" things change but still, $80,000 is quite a price tag. I'm very content with my '03 Cobra. :cool: Thanks all I was posting is what some small town ford salesman told me last week. Which is in direct conflict with what some of pricing reports my be. I think this guy is not well informed (at the dealership) and i agree with everything you have said.

[Aaron94]

A salesman at a local ford dealership told me it would be in the 80's. I told him he had be to be kidding!! I hope this country hick did not know what he was talking about.
Robk


Since when do salesmen know anything, about anything, let alone cars? There is no way the Shelby will be 80k. MAYBE the cobra concept that came out would be around 80 if it were produced, maybe he was thinking about that one?

[RF Cobra]

Maybe he was just dreaming out loud about how much he wished the dealership would be able to stick :spoke: it to the '07 buyers. I'm sure a lot of the dealerships will engage in price gouging when they first come out but I think marking it up that much would be way too steep.

[MyloTcat]

Our local SVT Ford dealer in Madison, WI, likes to add a "market adjustment" :eek: to their new products if they think they can get away with it. Apparently they can. Last time I went in to trade my 97 Cobra for an 03, they were adding $5,000 to the sticker price of Cobras and $8,000 to the T-birds. I gave the salesman 3 chances to get his managers to back the adjustment off (I'm a good customer, or was...) on the Cobra but he wouldn't do it. I left with my 97. I can't imagine what kind of crap they're gonna pull with the new Cobra. Makes a new vette awfully tempting.
Dave

[Cobra4me]

thats about the same lines he was discussing with me. Ford and the individual dealerships will charge what the market will bear. So if there are some people out there with more money than sense that is willing to pay the 50 to 60 for the shelby cobra and then it will price out the normal consumer (me!) I guess if they are not flexible with pricing they will lose sales. The key I think is wait out the initial shipments of the new cobra and wait out all this madness, What do you think
Rob K

[Butcher]

thats about the same lines he was discussing with me. Ford and the individual dealerships will charge what the market will bear. So if there are some people out there with more money than sense that is willing to pay the 50 to 60 for the shelby cobra and then it will price out the normal consumer (me!) I guess if they are not flexible with pricing they will lose sales. The key I think is wait out the initial shipments of the new cobra and wait out all this madness, What do you think
Rob KI think FMC has an animal on their hands. I think salespeople will sell at what they can get marketvalue for. If you want a new Cobra, shop well. I've always been treated well by Tommie Vaughn in Houston. Thad Free there always got a very fair price there for my vehicles, Cobra included. He called me several weeks back pointing me to the car at a very fair price, lower than pricing you people are talking. Did I mention it was new Cobra? It scared me. Gawd the potential is there in a new body ... :P

Jimmie

[Butcher]

If this car weighs in at 3700lbs then it's not much different than an 03 cobra. The '03s aren't exactly what you'd call a light car either. It's no secret that it takes some modifications to make any late model mustang handle. But, not everyone is a corner carver. I'm not. I could care less if this thing pulls a "g" on a skid pad or not. Personally, I like the solid axle in the rear. I like to accelerate in a straight line. A lot of people do. Not only that, the solid axle weighs considerably less than an irs setup (reference '99-'04 cobras). So if that remains true, then the SRA is an attempt at weight reductions. Also, durability of course. The solid axle saves me from an IRS swap in the future. Of course, a proper setup IRS will do well at a track, but not better than the good old stick axle. Also, one of the more obvious reasons for the SRA is saving money. Everyone wants all this power, none of the weight, and everyone wants a different suspension and everyone wants it to be cheap. The facts are they are giving us a serious engine, just like we asked for since the beginning. "we need more power to hold off the camaros." Well, they gave it to us in the '03. And they gave it to us at a great price. I guess my point is, no matter what they do, someone isn't going to like it. That's why there is an aftermarket. The '03 cobra IRS is just crammed under a platform that was designed to hold one. The attach points of the IRS are the same as the stick axle. This setup is a nightmare and costs serious money to make handle. From what I see, the quickest handling streetable mustangs use a Griggs or Maximum motorsports equipped solid axle. Everyone likes the ride of the IRS, but they don't ride much, if any better than my friend's mach 1 IMO. To each their own, but I love this new Shelby car and I have every intention of getting one if possible. Also, for those that want to see pictures of the new Shelby Cobra GT500........ here they are...

click for pics (http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/)
QA1 suspended rear axles run fairly well too :P Again, depending on your setup, they will run equally. No RWHP though. breakage is imminent. Roadcourse will or should hold the RWHP. Always remember this... can you say RWHP? Sure ... I knew you could. Direct quote guys, not my dumb ass :)

Jimmie

[ausie]

Dealerships are in business to make money as well as sell cars. When and if they get their hands on them, the price may become inflated especially if there is high demand for them and little to offer on the lots. As for the Shelby Cobra, I believe that will only be produced for a short time frame which will considerably raise the price since the dealers will claim that they are limited production, and hard to get. I got that same BS when the 04's hit the lot and that the price was not negotiable, that was until October of last year when I got a good deal, 0% financing as well as a reduced price (almost what I paid for my 01). That same dealership had one of the Cobra R's sitting in their private show case for the longest time priced at 70k until the 03's hit the market it found its way onto the lot with a reduced price tag on it. If ford wants to remain competative within the market, the price for the Shelby should not be so high as to sacrifice a buyer to the Corvette or Viper. I could get a Viper for under 70k and a Corvette for under 60k. If you had 80k what would you buy? I think the Viper sounds like a good deal to me. If the vehicle is overpriced, it will just sit there and not be sold which costs the dealerships money to maintain insurance and lack of movement of the vehicles tends to make them stale.

[SVTcobra04]

o man that new 07 is nice :) :p :eek:

[SVTcobra04]

I think the Viper sounds like a good deal to me.


i like the sound of a viper to :D to bad its 80 k :rolleyes:

[TCS]

It looks like they are to be priced about $40,000. I did not see this in another post so I am sorry if I double posted. Where do I sign up?

http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshow/articles/104904/page012.html

[beerkat]

The new SVT Enthusiast has a good article on the '07. Talks about the rear axle and why they went the way they did and stuff like that.

[secondchance]

I saw the car in NY and thought it looked great, but the SRA is a step in the wrong direction. If its so great why doesn't Ford put one on the GT. If its so expensive how can GM put one under the GTO and keep the price down. Ford is taking a gamble on this. The SRA will sell well among the die-hard Shelby fans but will it capture new customers against the competition? I find this car very appealing EXCEPT for the SRA. I can only hope that after they sell to the faithful they will install modern ( < 100 years old )technology.

[nufc1]

i am not sure now if i want to put the 04 in for the gt500 . check this out http://www.spectrummarcom.com/mustang/cobraPainter.html

[ausie]

I like that, I have selected what stands out for me. Black with orange stripes or dark blue with yellow. I was thinking of stiping my 04, I will have to go back and see what works with silver.

[ausie]

hmmm, red stripes on a silver car, along with the AFS Red chrome cobra R wheels. :rolleyes:

[crunchit]

I just got off the phone with the dealership. Now mind you, this particular dealership had two GT's. They have no clue as to when the shelby will be in. they are figuring late next year. As for pricing, he couldn't begin to say.



So, we wait...

I love my ride. There isn't a day that passes where i don't get a compliment. That's a great feeling:thumbsup:

[secondchance]

Just got the new issue of Car&Driver. More bad news. The long rumored twin screw SC just got dumped for a Roots type. My guess is the brands KB and W are overjoyed. A few months ago we had Phil Martens waxing eloquent about "world-class level", taking inspiration from the BMW M machines and must-have IRS. Long on promises, short on delivery. SVT is offering a nose heavy, overweight, SRA car just in time for $3.00 gas. I feel history repeating itself.

#3 just got on the unofficial waiting list at his local SVT dealer. #2 is signing on for a new Vet. #1 is keeping his '03

[cobrabitn]

Don't believe everything you read. It is what it is when it comes out. :doubt:

[RF Cobra]

Ford says the GT 500 will use an Eaton R122. Ford was planning to use the Lysholm supercharger used in the GT however they are not able to supply the quantity needed for GT 500 production. Of course, until the car goes into production, it could change yet again...

[TMG]

I just saw this car in person at the Carlisle Show and it's one sweet looking ride. As far as performance I'm sure a few after market upgrades- pulleys, cold air, custom tune etc. and it will be pushing well over 600 rwhp. and the ride has to beat the old Cobras. I can't wait to get my hands on one! I heard from a semi inside source that the vert won't be available til the 08 model, also there will be a stock roll bar available then. It might be worth waiting til they get the bugs out and get a reasonable sticker price the second year.

[secondchance]

Don't believe everything you read. It is what it is when it comes out. :doubt:

True, but the trend is not in the right direction. :(

[SVTcobra04]

well.....we'l just ahve to wait and see. :( shore hope there not all sold out,and not WAY overpriced or marked up.

[cobrabitn]

From what I understand the price of the SVT Shelby Cobra will be under 40K for the coupe. A convertible may follow in 2008 but that wasn't confirmed.

Plus's on this car:

450 hp with a 6-speed
Shelby stripes with 03/04 cooling vents
Drag racers delight
Freaking awesome running and looking car
classy interior - nice retro look
Cool looking wheels

Minus's on the car:

57/43 weight balance - too nose heavy (Fix this by moving the engine back some!)
No IRS available
Hard to read the gauges
Shifter in an inconvenient position
Funky looking head rests on the seats
No more SVT dealers - any Ford dealer can get one (Whatever happened to exclusivity?)
The first year, I'd say they will sell out quicker then they can make them
Bugs to deal with so wait for the 2008 model to come out

Final words... wait for the bugs to get fixed and let the others pay the premium price and hold out till they come down to reality.

[jjraiser]

I saw the car in NY and thought it looked great, but the SRA is a step in the wrong direction. If its so great why doesn't Ford put one on the GT. If its so expensive how can GM put one under the GTO and keep the price down. Ford is taking a gamble on this. The SRA will sell well among the die-hard Shelby fans but will it capture new customers against the competition? I find this car very appealing EXCEPT for the SRA. I can only hope that after they sell to the faithful they will install modern ( < 100 years old )technology.

Thank you for the insight, seriously. Many people say how an IRS is not much better than an SRA. That said, why do real sports cars (ALL OF THEM) use an IRS; Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, Lambo, Ford GT, Corvette, etc! They use it because it works better for street and road racing. Hell, open class sports cars have IRS suspensions whenever possible. They never choose a solid axle if they don't have to, and they pump out 700 to 800+ horsepower.

The next argument is cost. Thanks again for the insight. The GTO, and for that matter Corvette and M3, are only nominally more expensive; and it ain't an IRS that makes them that more expensive. Better build quality and components does. I get it that Ford wants to keep the costs down. I think that's great, but don't tell me it requires an IRS to do so.

Check out the latest Car and Driver. This new Cobra will be 3,850 pounds!!!! WHAT! (By the way, I said months ago this would be one heavy car) And, they're being cheap on the rear brakes. The 13" Brembo rear brakes appear to have been scrapped. A car with 3850lbs. will need all the brakes it can get and Ford backed off on that. I do like the GT500. It is a cool car. It isn't what I would buy, but it's cool. And I completely agree that Ford is gambling here. The car is great as a cheap compromise. They are selling nothing more than an image with horsepower; nothing else. It is a great image and great horsepower, but it's never going to be a great sports car!

Nothing pissed me off more that Thai Huang's (or however you spell it...like I care) comments in the June edition of Hot Rod Magazine (page 54). He said "We [Ford SVT] will never please the IRS snobs." Oh nice, we're IRS snobs now. :rolleyes: In short, Thai's Cobra is one $40K compromise and he's a d###head. What kind of bonehead alienates a great portion of his following by calling the IRS customers snobs?

"Bite my IRS, Thai!" :thumbsup:

[Mystic_Cobra]

I just saw this car in person at the Carlisle Show and it's one sweet looking ride. As far as performance I'm sure a few after market upgrades- pulleys, cold air, custom tune etc. and it will be pushing well over 600 rwhp. and the ride has to beat the old Cobras. I can't wait to get my hands on one! I heard from a semi inside source that the vert won't be available til the 08 model, also there will be a stock roll bar available then. It might be worth waiting til they get the bugs out and get a reasonable sticker price the second year.

Not sure who your source is, but the dozens of articles I've read all say later summer/early fall 2006. Even SVT. A "stock roll bar"? What does that mean?

[Mystic_Cobra]

From what I understand the price of the SVT Shelby Cobra will be under 40K for the coupe. A convertible may follow in 2008 but that wasn't confirmed.

Plus's on this car:

450 hp with a 6-speed
Shelby stripes with 03/04 cooling vents
Drag racers delight
Freaking awesome running and looking car
classy interior - nice retro look
Cool looking wheels

Minus's on the car:

57/43 weight balance - too nose heavy (Fix this by moving the engine back some!)
No IRS available
Hard to read the gauges
Shifter in an inconvenient position
Funky looking head rests on the seats
No more SVT dealers - any Ford dealer can get one (Whatever happened to exclusivity?)
The first year, I'd say they will sell out quicker then they can make them
Bugs to deal with so wait for the 2008 model to come out

Final words... wait for the bugs to get fixed and let the others pay the premium price and hold out till they come down to reality.

The weight distribution will not be that bad. The Mustang and Mustang GT weight balance was ideal according to HTT and they've said that the Cobra's won't be much worse.
Those funky looking head rests are Federally mandated for safety. Get used to them. They will be much better at preventing whiplash than previous ones.
For all you guys *****ing about the IRS and "real sports cars", keep in mind that this is not a "sports car". Sports cars only have two seats. The Mustang is a muscle car ... a pony car. It was never intended to be a Corvette fighter. Ignore the fact that this one will eat Vettes for lunch even with a SRA. I'm glad they took $5000 off the price and another 150 lbs to keep the SRA. How many races have they won in Grand Am against cars with IRS?

[Mystic_Cobra]

Nothing pissed me off more that Thai Huang's (or however you spell it...like I care) comments in the June edition of Hot Rod Magazine (page 54). He said "We [Ford SVT] will never please the IRS snobs." Oh nice, we're IRS snobs now. :rolleyes: In short, Thai's Cobra is one $40K compromise and he's a d###head. What kind of bonehead alienates a great portion of his following by calling the IRS customers snobs?

"Bite my IRS, Thai!" :thumbsup:

Wow, you're one bitter little man. I'm glad this new Cobra has resorted to name calling. I know, I know, He started it.

[secondchance]

Apparently Carrol Shelby has put his good name on a car that is going to drag enthusiasts very happy. I would humbly submit the John Force should endorse a Boss 302 revival. A 5L cammer with a 6 speed or paddle shift auto and IRS. Ford expects to produce several specialty Mustangs and this could be one of them. :rotf:

[cobrabitn]

I'll pass on the Boss 302, why would you want to go backwards in cubic inches anyway?

I must have missed the HTT article where he calls the IRS owners snobs. Oh well, whatever! What does he know anyway? He's just a figure head for the Mustang, it's not like he designed it or anything. Input to that car was made by a lot more people then HTT just sitting at a desk with a pencil and a piece of paper. I would venture to say that when I bought my first Mustang, he was still in diapers.

I may be a snob, but I can say I have been a Mustang/Cobra enthusiast all of my life starting from day one with my first car. 27 years of solely Mustang ownership, almost all of the people at Ford cannot say that.

[RF Cobra]

It's like I said before when HTT told Car and Driver that Mustang owners weren't smart enough to know the difference between the irs or a solid axle or even be able to identify them, that he was a moron. So his latest snob remarks come as no surprise. (he's just jealous! :rotf: )

Once the GT goes out of production they ought to find a way to use the V-10. Maybe add twin turbos...:)

[jjraiser]

Wow, you're one bitter little man. I'm glad this new Cobra has resorted to name calling. I know, I know, He started it.

I'm glad we have such mature people like you on this forum to keep things clean around here. Thanks for setting me straight, big man. :bs:

[cobrabitn]

Actually JJ, I think this is one of the more mature bulletin boards out there. I've been to other boards and quit going due to all of the posters using profanity, starting arguements, and just over all being obnoxious.

Jimmy, is a great guy. If you met him in person, you would agree with me. I think he was just trying to tell you that you can vent in a different manner then you did. Don't get me wrong, I agree with all of the things you said. We're just here to keep it clean, get some information, and have some fun! :thumbsup:

[Mystic_Cobra]

Look, JJ. I did't mean anything personal. It just blows my mind that people have so many negative things to say about this car and what HTT has done for Ford and the Mustang. I just get tired of hearing all the negative crap about this car. The car is going to flat out kick ass. On the street. On the strip. On the track. Period. It will eat Corvettes for 10 grand less. It will have almost two hundred horspower more than the first DOHC Cobra that came out 10 years ago and about 400 lbs more curb weight. I know it's about more than horsepower, but there's more to the car than that.
No, it won't be perfect. No, it won't have IRS. Big deal. That's why the Mustang is biggest aftermarket business in the world.
Ok, enough of my rant.
:)

[TMG]

Not sure who your source is, but the dozens of articles I've read all say later summer/early fall 2006. Even SVT. A "stock roll bar"? What does that mean?

I'm not sure what you're asking, Yeah Summer/Early Fall for the production of the 07 model. I think Stock Roll Bar is self explanatory. :baby:

P.S.: Calling someone a Bitter Little Man and than saying it's nothing personal is a bunch of S#$%!!!

[Mystic_Cobra]

I guess my name calling was in result to his name calling. I guess you didn't read the whole thread or you've have read this:

"...he's a d###head. What kind of bonehead... "

I was playing along with the childish name calling game.

As for the roll bar, I guess I should have asked a more specific question. For example, "When did Ford say anything about a rollbar?" I didn't read or hear anything about it in the dozens of articles I've read. I'd be surprised to see Ford install a factory roll bar on a Cobra if they've not done so anytime in the last 10 years of producing Mustang Cobras. Has anyone else heard anything about this? I think it would be a good idea for safety and insurance rates, I'm just a little skeptical, I guess.

I thought the members of this board were a lot more mature than those on many of the other boards on the net. Maybe not. Anyway, enough of this game, I'll be back when things cool off.
later

[TMG]

I apologize I did miss the original name calling!

And for my so called source, he was a Ford Engineer for 20 yrs. and is still supposedly "connected". I guess we'll see when the 08's come out.

[cobrabitn]

Jimmy,

I heard they convertibles will be out in 08 and will have a factory rollbar but that doesn't mean squat. I'll believe it when I see it in the dealership showroom. The reason for the bar is the extra hp they are putting out in these cars. They need some sort of protection for those people who have never owned a Cobra or hi po car and may go out there and get themselves hurt.

JMHO though...

:thumbsup:

[cobra330]

Interesting...I heard no vert due to to much HP/TQ in the car. Oh well..I think want an Adrenaline anyway, in yellow of course, to tow around my garage queen.

[RF Cobra]

I think want an Adrenaline anyway, in yellow of course, to tow around my garage queen.
That was my thought when I heard about it (but in a different color;) ). Unfortunately I don't think it will have a high enough towing capacity for the Cobra and a trailer. Or it will be very close to pushing the limit.

Now if SVT would produce a high powered F250 crew cab twin turbo diesel... :D

[jjraiser]

Actually JJ, I think this is one of the more mature bulletin boards out there. I've been to other boards and quit going due to all of the posters using profanity, starting arguements, and just over all being obnoxious.

Jimmy, is a great guy. If you met him in person, you would agree with me. I think he was just trying to tell you that you can vent in a different manner then you did. Don't get me wrong, I agree with all of the things you said. We're just here to keep it clean, get some information, and have some fun! :thumbsup:

Now I like your way of explaining things rather than Jimmy's. No problem. It wasn't my intent to be inappropriate, and if I was and aplologize to anyone who may have been offended by my cryptic explicative, except for maybe Thai Huang himself, :)

[jjraiser]

The weight distribution will not be that bad. The Mustang and Mustang GT weight balance was ideal according to HTT and they've said that the Cobra's won't be much worse.
Those funky looking head rests are Federally mandated for safety. Get used to them. They will be much better at preventing whiplash than previous ones.
For all you guys *****ing about the IRS and "real sports cars", keep in mind that this is not a "sports car". Sports cars only have two seats. The Mustang is a muscle car ... a pony car. It was never intended to be a Corvette fighter. Ignore the fact that this one will eat Vettes for lunch even with a SRA. I'm glad they took $5000 off the price and another 150 lbs to keep the SRA. How many races have they won in Grand Am against cars with IRS?

Mystic Cobra, I think it's funny that you get all righteous when someone else uses cryptic "bad language," but it's fine when it suits you.

Regarding your insight on sports cars, a 911 is not a two-seater, and I beg to differ on an 07 Cobra eating a C6's lunch. The new Cobra will also carry a quarter ton additional wieght with that additional horsepower. It'll be an interesting run. If a does GT500 beat a C6, it won't be by much.

[Mystic_Cobra]

I think it's funny that we're still having this conversation about a car that doesn't even exist yet (in production form).

[etm63]

Well put - I agree...

[RF Cobra]

Mystic Cobra, I think it's funny that you get all righteous when someone else uses cryptic "bad language," but it's fine when it suits you.
jjraiser,

If you have a problem with Mystic_Cobra (or anyone else) send him a PM, email, snail mail etc. but do not use the SCMC boards for flaming, petty bickering, name calling, or making snide remarks about others. I'm not taking sides here but, he has apparently dropped this issue and you seem to keep dragging this argument between the two of you on even after Tony's comments.

We all have differences of opinion and that is okay. The problem is when those opinions are expressed inappropriately. Continuing to direct negative remarks at another person in what appears to be pure antagonism and confrontational behavior is not welcome. I agree with most of your points as I am not impressed with HTT from what I have seen. The car itself will be a great car, improving on the '04 in many areas. However, both of you could have handled it better by not taking shots at each other and making insulting remarks.

Our website and message board are for the purpose of education, sharing of information, and forming friendships with others who share our common interests. We do not want the reputation that some of the other boards have obtained due to the hostility of the posts on those boards.

Arguing about what the 07 is or is not or what it is or is not capable of at this point is silly since the production version has not been released yet. I couldn't help but laugh at the thread on the SVTP board where people were bashing each other over the '07. Especially since not a single one of them has actually driven it in production form.

[cobrabitn]

I think you two need to go to an SCMC track event and take your frustrations out on your Cobras... :rotf:

[saxmasta89]

Ok i'm 16 and kinda new to modifications..so dont laugh me out of this. This GT500 has gotten me so interested in Mustangs that if i could buy one i would. I heard some people say that with some modifications the GT500 could push past 600 hp. I know of some of the modifications..like cold air intake, exhaust, superchip. I also heard of some things that i dont know of like pulleys or other things like that. If someone could explain what a modification is or what it does that'd help me a lot!

[bbrence]

Like someone has said here, this whole conversation is a total waste of time until the actual production car is available for testing. Whether or not it will keep up with a C6 Corvette, let alone beat it, is pure guesswork.....and until the 'real world' [not MSRP] price to buy one is known, it's price advantage over a C6 is a total unknown as well. Whats the point of all this guesswork? Another total unknown.......the power to weight ratio of a 2007 C6. I suspect we will all know the answers in the fall of 2006......when both cars hit the showrooms.

[jjraiser]

I kinda agree all this speculation has no point, but it's fun anyway. I do have to disagree that the 2007 C6's power-to-weight ratio is a total unknown. That car is still going to weigh in at about 3200lbs. The new Cobra is "speculated" to be around 3700+. The 07 GT500 will likely be a quarter ton heavier that the C6 in 07! :eek:

As far as power, we can assume the C6 will be at least 400 strong. The GT500 is a bit more of an unknown, but will likely be more than the C6. Torque will be better in the GT500 with more of it at a lower RPT. It'll be a close match in power-to-weight ratios I think. Of course, the C6 will run about $5K more too.

My final comment, a good performance car, sports car, or whatever you want to call it is more than just good horsepower. In fact, some of the World's best sports cars aren't about gobs of horsepower. There are so many other things better on the C6 (hence $5K more) than the GT500 (as we've seen so far) that I think the two cars aren't necessarily comparable.

However, I anxiously await to see a comparo test of a 2007 GT500 and C6. I predict that braking and road handling tests (slalom, track lap times, lat-g's, etc.) will go to the C6. I think, however, the GT500 will eat the Corvette in the quarter. Judgement Day is coming! :firedevil