New Cobra pricing & production numbers.

[puzzle13]

Okay, here is a little info that I heard from my Ford dealer who has never lied to me. I was asking about pre-orders and if the price would be raised since they were holding out for $240,000 for the GT on the lot and not a penny more. This is what I was told. The production numbers are supposed to be 14,000 units over 3 years total, that is less than 5000 per year. This will be the last Carroll Shelby/Ford production unit ever. The stripes were a required item by Shelby and are supposed to cost Ford $5000.00 to put on due to production delays from the painting process. This brings us to the pricing ... the sticker price will be $49,900.00 and Ford believes that each car should bring about $100,000.00 at the time of purchase! We shall see when the cars actually hit the showrooms, but big dealers are only scheduled to receive about 5 cars per year! Good luck on your purchases! Makes me love my '03 even more.

[andre96]

yeah, and no wonder Ford's credit rating has been reduced to "junk" status...why don't they wake up in Dearborn...that Saleen 05 is "biatchin"

[Big Daddy]

Okay, here is a little info that I heard from my Ford dealer who has never lied to me. I was asking about pre-orders and if the price would be raised since they were holding out for $240,000 for the GT on the lot and not a penny more. This is what I was told. The production numbers are supposed to be 14,000 units over 3 years total, that is less than 5000 per year. This will be the last Carroll Shelby/Ford production unit ever. The stripes were a required item by Shelby and are supposed to cost Ford $5000.00 to put on due to production delays from the painting process. This brings us to the pricing ... the sticker price will be $49,900.00 and Ford believes that each car should bring about $100,000.00 at the time of purchase! We shall see when the cars actually hit the showrooms, but big dealers are only scheduled to receive about 5 cars per year! Good luck on your purchases! Makes me love my '03 even more.

If Ford believes anyone will pay $100,000 for a new Mustang (Shelby or not) they have their heads so far up their butts that they will never see sunshine again! :eek: :eek: :doubt: :doubt:

[cobrabitn]

Well, someone better tell HTT that the price is going up... :rotf:

[cobrabitn]

BTW, nothing personal but I think your dealership just blew their record. :D And yes I agree, if they go up to 50K, they helped me to make a decision to keep my current snake pit. :cool:

[RF Cobra]

I would not be surprised if they put a $30k or higher markup on the GT500. We stopped by Parkway tonight and looked at their GT and they have a $98K markup over MSRP on it which put the total price at $250,000.00

[orange04]

My dealer ( very large SVT dealer) Says about 7000 units, one year production and says atleast 80K to get one. Each dealer will only get one or two. Ford reps and such will get first dibs..

[cobrabitn]

BSing is nice don't you think? I mean we can all just type here what we think or heard but the bottom line is no one really knows until you see an MSRP sticker with the car out on the dealer lot.

Here's my take on it...The car will go for 40K (Coupe) and dealers will ask a 10K premium because it has the Shelby name on it. (That is if it does when it comes out). They'll produce around 25,000 of them in a three year span and will keep producing them for as long as the market will buy them. Ford is a business, they want to sell cars so they can keep their stock holders happy but they still have to abide by federal standards (CAFE). It would be stupid of them to not try to sell as many of these cars as they possibly could.

And what about SVT????

Exclusivity?? It went out the window when SVT decided to "mainstream" their products and allow any dealer to sell this car. That in itself should tell you something. I have mixed feeling about any dealer trying to sell these cars because the odds of getting a better deal when you buy one have been reduced in my eyes anyway. Don't always believe everything your dealer says unless it is coming from someone with some inside information and even then it can be changed by the time it gets to us. (You ever walk in to a dealership and have to tell the salesperson more about the car you are about to purchase then they can tell you?)

Value?? If the price is going to be 80K then there goes the value aspect of it. I personally don't think any dealer would be stupid enough to try to sell a 40K car for 80K knowing that Joe Blow Ford dealer down the street has one and will sell it to you for sticker.

Performance? I'm guessing the car will have about 500 hp at the flywheel or there abouts and 700 will be easily attained but with a 2 ton vehicle it is going to need that to get it down the quarter in record time. The cars should be getting lighter not heavier so you can take mpg into consideration. I would hate to know that the best I could do is 11 mpg back and forth to work. (Although it would be a quick fun trip) :)

Substance?? I'm not crazy about the instrument gauges, the seats, the shifter position, and the car doesn't even have an "SVT" badge on the exterior of the body. (At least the prototype didn't). Blah, blah, blah...where did SVT go? We have no substance, no exclusivity, no performance, and no value. (Okay, I give performance but the handling on the road course will suck).

So there you have it... a $40K Cobra that will be fast but not corner and will have a premium attached to it, will be sold at any Ford dealer down the street, weighs two tons, and already has problems before it ever hits the street. You control the price of the car, not the dealer or Ford. It's called supply and demand and since many of you are already demanding it, the dealerships are licking their chops. As for me, I either pay below sticker or I just keep what I have and be happy.

JMHO ;)

[orange04]

I hear ya Cobra.. I thought only the SVT dealers would ba able to get one? So Joe blow dealer down the road wouldnt ever see one, right? My SVT dealer has inside info from what he thinks. He has many pictures w/ Carol and Higher ups in Ford ( I KNOW, DOESNT MEAN CRAP) HE says lol, 500 fly wheel, ONLY ONE YEAR PRODUCTION. IF thats true and I could get one for 50k. I would take it period. HE also said 7000 units. Your right, I would say very few people know. Dont you think if that car was 50k and you could it for that, that the car will be a 6 digit car in 10 years? Every thing Carol touches or looks at turns to gold:D The only thing I dont like is if it is a one year production thing is that there could be issues, 5.4 supercharged, is a new thing, I would take an 08 for 50k right now. I dont like first year production anything. I am just blabbering, 50k is alot but GT500 shelby just sound like it will be worth alot more then 50k in the future, again, I dont THINK they will be selling for that regardless what the sticker says.. JMO.. As you said, no one knows crapola yet..

[nckissfan]

Tony, MM&FF did that article on the GT500, the only place it shows SVT on the car is on the wheel center caps, and the motor.

[InfamousSVT]

Just what I've heard here...................I heard from a good source that the new model (the block) won't be able to hold more then 550 to the wheels? If this is true then I'm not going to go buy a more expensive car that weighs more and has less performance! Just my .02 cents

[cobrabitn]

Infamous,

It's a detuned Ford GT engine. I think it will hold a lot more the 550 at the rear wheels. On a side note, I just got some really cool posters today of the 2007 Ford SVT Mustang "Shelby" Cobra GT 500. I'm thinking maybe I might bring ONE to the karting event this weekend as a teaser... :rotf:

:thumbsup:

[InfamousSVT]

:scratch: :doh2: ok now i see!


............So you're just bringing ONE poster?:doubt: That's just not fair, I'll race you for it!:D

[cobra330]

I got one too..I got one too...They handed one and one only out to each person at Carlisle.

[cobrabitn]

Jason,

The winner can get a poster. They are so cool... I guess I'll have to keep one for myself. Wait till you see the new surprise coming out soon, too.

Mike,

Please change your signature back, thanks.


:thumbsup:

[FearTheSnake]

Infamous,

It's a detuned Ford GT engine. I think it will hold a lot more the 550 at the rear wheels. On a side note, I just got some really cool posters today of the 2007 Ford SVT Mustang "Shelby" Cobra GT 500. I'm thinking maybe I might bring ONE to the karting event this weekend as a teaser... :rotf:

:thumbsup: Lower assembly(Rods,Pistons,Crank). I agree with Venomous also. I have a very good source(hehe) who has blown 2 Lightning motors trying to run 550 hp. Threw 8 rods out the side of the block @ 1000 ft. Engine just won't take it. Guess we'll see though but for the money, the '03 & '04s are looking better each day. Think I'm holding on to mine for a few more years now.

[davelegguy]

5000 bucks to paint a few stripes??? :rotf:
your dealer is high on something.

[cobrabitn]

I'm not planning on getting rid of my Mystichrome, the Pace Car maybe?? But not the color changing supercharged snake. :thumbsup:

I read somewhere it is a GT engine...maybe the Mustang Enthusiast magazine?? Not sure???

[FearTheSnake]

I'm not planning on getting rid of my Mystichrome, the Pace Car maybe?? But not the color changing supercharged snake. :thumbsup:

I read somewhere it is a GT engine...maybe the Mustang Enthusiast magazine?? Not sure???
Keeping the Mystichrome for sure. Took it on the 1st long rd. trip to Charleston last weekend, must say I had at least 20 compliments,maybe more. Couldn't get any bites on the trip down or back either...:( Even pulled beside an "SS" but couldn't get him to drop the hammer.

[cobrabitn]

Okay, well I'm right because if you look in your MMFF July issue on page 73 you'll read what I said what it is supposed to be.

5.4 L with a supercharger, forged internals, and a detuned Ford GT engine that would easily obtain 700 rwhp. :)

[bbrence]

As someone here has already said, I doubt anyone knows where the car will be sticker-priced. I doubt Ford has made that decision yet. However, based on comments from various knowledgeable sources, the base sticker will likely be very slightly under $40K.....$39,995???? Will dealers tack on additional markup? Of course.....at least initially. Will you have to pay $90-100K to actually buy one? No way!

Bottom line: This a factory assembly line, Ford Mustang. Mustangs are great cars in their current price range, but they do not have the fit and finish or the quality of materials to justify a price anywheres close to $100K. Lets be honest here. The car is not built or designed by Shelby. It is "inspired" by Shelby. :rolleyes: The Shelby group of the 60's no longer exists. In other words, Ford gave Ol' Shel some dough to use his name on the car, have his picture taken in the car, etc. It's "marketing'!

I think Ford has sufficent research to tell them how much people are willing to pay for a Mustang.....even a super, high-end Mustang....and it's not $100K.
The competition for the enthusiast dollar gets pretty tough at that level.....Z06 Corvettes, Porsche 911S, even the [parish the thought] Viper.

My advice...be patient! I bought a new 2004 GT for $21,000 after rebates and discounts.....with every option available....leather, etc. You could have picked up a fully loaded new V6 for $13,900. I got my new 2004 Cobra for $29,600....including destination charges and chrome wheels......because I waited until the 2005 frenzy was in full swing. I assume you have all seen stage 3 Saleens, and Rouch's heavily discounted because they were sitting in the dealer's inventory...unsold at $50K plus. Most peoples reaction.....thats cool, but $50k + for a Mustang.....it's not that nice.

Again......be patient. If you have to have one, you'll be able to buy it, at some point, for sticker or less. My local dealers were marking up 2005 V6's an additional $5,000 over sticker a few weeks back. Now the lots are filling up with Mustangs. They will be offering rebates on them pretty soon.

[ProfChaos]

Regarding all our WAG's (wild-ass-guesses) with regard to the price of the GT 500, the following is an excerpt from Motor Trend's wine-and-cheese affair toasting the '07 Shelby GT 500:

"Best guess? 40-45 grand. A pricier version--as an SVT Cobra--was under consideration, which would've had an IRS and an even more powerful engine. But the business case was rejected by management as too rich for a Mustang" (_Motor Trend's_ "First Look" ["Wine-and-Cheese Affair"] (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0505_fordshelby/index3.html))

I heard that $40K, all-in, would be a good educated guess (with leather seats and a relatively fixed option package, as SVT is wont to do). For sure, it will be one gull-durned expensive Mustang. :D

cheers,
Professor Chaos

[Mike2007Shelby]

Okay, here is a little info that I heard from my Ford dealer who has never lied to me. I was asking about pre-orders and if the price would be raised since they were holding out for $240,000 for the GT on the lot and not a penny more. This is what I was told. The production numbers are supposed to be 14,000 units over 3 years total, that is less than 5000 per year. This will be the last Carroll Shelby/Ford production unit ever. The stripes were a required item by Shelby and are supposed to cost Ford $5000.00 to put on due to production delays from the painting process. This brings us to the pricing ... the sticker price will be $49,900.00 and Ford believes that each car should bring about $100,000.00 at the time of purchase! We shall see when the cars actually hit the showrooms, but big dealers are only scheduled to receive about 5 cars per year! Good luck on your purchases! Makes me love my '03 even more.I put a deposit to be on the list for a 2007 and the dealer assured me I would not be charged more than window price for the 2007 Shelby Cobra.

[sonicblu]

I just don't get spending alot of money for some guys name to be written on the car.I kinda feel that shelby is a sell out,he'll do anything for money and have his name spelled out all over the world.when he allowed the gt500E to be put in the registry it kinda of defeeted the purpose of the registry.I feel that he did it just for money not to keep real cars accounted for.

[ve4mm]

The 2007 Shelby GT500 Mustangs will be placed in the new SAAC Registry. That will be Book #2. Book #1 will be for Cobras, GT40's and the like.

[cobrabitn]

I was also told by one of our members that went to the Detroit Auto Show that the new Cobra/GT500 will come with an SVT "Certificate of Authenticity" with build number so basically Ford is playing both ends to the middle.

They figure they got the SVT crowd pleased (Not in my book) and the Shelby/Mustang crowd pleased by labeling it a "SVT Shelby GT500". Sorry but this is John Coletti's 2007 Mustang Cobra even if they don't want to acknowledge that. They can call it what they want (official name is supposed to be "Ford SVT Shelby GT 500") but it is what it is back in 2000 when the real SVT group designed and engineered the car, an SVT Mustang Cobra.

Shelby is an after thought and personally if it were me and I owned a Shelby I'd be pissed that it had "SVT" on it and that it was not sent to Shelby Industries for aftermarket modifications. So in reality...it's not really even a "True" Shelby.

JMHO

[Stavesacre21]

I was also told by one of our members that went to the Detroit Auto Show that the new Cobra/GT500 will come with an SVT "Certificate of Authenticity" with build number so basically Ford is playing both ends to the middle.
Boy i'll tell you what tony...they sure are jerking everyone around on the issue with these GT500's. According to the newest issue of Road&Track (wait, maybe it was Car and Driver), they were stating how it is NOT going to be an SVT exclusive, making it available to ANY Ford dealer, and they stated there were 4000 of them expecting a model or 2. But wait...if it comes with a SVT Certificate of Authenticity, doesn't that make it...exclusive? LoL. Guess they can't really have it BOTH ways without arising some questions. Just seemed a little funny to hear about. :rolleyes:

[FearTheSnake]

I'm keeping my 2004 SVT Mystichrome COBRA .... :thumbsup:

I feel better now.

Does seem like damage control "spin" is being applied here. Wait it's a Cobra, no- its a Shelby Cobra, no- it's a Shelby 500GT now....

[barrsky9]

This thread goes back awhile, and many presumptive article have scared the masses that no-one knows what this car is going to be. I say it is definitely an SVT Cobra, whether it has Shelby's name on it or not. It was designed by Colletti's successor in the SVT realm, carries all the proper badges, and is the top of the line Mustang being produced. Just because it doesn't roll off a different assembly line than the recent SVTs, it will still be built on a completely different run than the Mustang GT. Maybe it is lost on many, but in light of Ford's loss of revenue and market share, I can understand why they need to streamline - this doesn't mean every 4th Mustang down the line will get a different set of badges though. This has SVT performance written all over it, this is clearly a Cobra (no-one complained when SVT borrowed the name from old-school Shelby cars!), and I personnally think there is no doubt this belongs in the club. Those who want to make this club so exclusive that only people with "Classics" can join don't realize the end of new acceptance will lead to the clubs eventual demise. Growth, or at least new membership, is almost certainly imperative to keep this club one of the premier memberships in the nation!

[FearTheSnake]

So are you willing to pay $60K+ for this Cobra?

and Ford streamlining for this? :dunno:

C'mon, Ford and GM are dying(everyone knows it)... why try to screw the loyal crew who is Blue and through???

I don't see this car growing the "club" in my opinion. Only splitting it.

Just my opinion, don't take it personally. I just don't like where this "product" is going.

:mad:

[cobrabitn]

I'm reguessing the car will MSRP over 40K...say almost $42K, just a guess. :D

[97cobrasvtinkc]

Boys,

This is what happens when you have corporate greed and continual quarterly losses at a big corporation. They will rape the very best thing they have going for them in an effort to recoup some of their lost profits. Ford and SVT have really done it this time. I love the Mustang and I love Ford Trucks to death, but doggone it, they've gone too far. Stupidity, ignorance, greed, and panic are reigning in Dearborn right now, while the big boys sweat their executive arses off, praying for a miracle to save them from Bankruptcy court, and even possible complete shutdown.

Despite what things appear to be on the surface, things are not well at all for the "Big 3" in Detroit. GM continues to lose billions, Ford continues to lose billions, and Dodge is quickly catching up to GM in the lost profit area. If they continue on this path, there won't be a Big 3 any longer. Quality, price, and attractiveness of the American vehicle are just not all that great anymore. Who wants an American car that is going to break down after 36,000 miles, has over 10 recalls, and is nothing but a problem? GM's recent designs over the past 4 years, are just completely butt ugly. Dodge isn't much better in terms of quality or looks. Ford has a little better success with the spiffy looking F-150, the Mustang, the Shelby GT 500 (albeit the "raised" hood vents, rather than the inset hood vents), the Expedition, and a few other select vehicles. The Asian automotive industry is quickly winning the hearts of the American consumers. Why? Better quality, more fuel efficient, more reliable, better customer service, and the cars last much much longer and they even look a lot better. Toyota just reported a record 6th year of profits. This year they had a "39%!!!!!!!" increase in profit from last year......39%!!!! That's unreal. I've seen more people, that 10 years ago would have been firm American car buyers, make the switch to foreign cars, because they are tired of having their money greedily snatched from their hands, only to receive a faulty product, that no one wants to fix, and have the door slammed in their face.

Fact is, the Big 3 no longer know how to build cars or take care of their customer. All they know how to do is take, take, take, and give nothing back. They rush the designs, speed build them as fast as they can, and try to troubleshoot everything later. Every American vehicle that comes out has massive amounts of recalls, faulty components, parts, and some of them even very dangerous that can end up costing lives. The American automotive industry is losing it's forthright point of contact to the Asians, and they are in a downward spiral and no way to pull out of it.

With Ford shutting down several plants across America, and laying off thousands of workers, is it really proper to continue any SVT Vehicle? Is it fair to the factory workers that just build normal Ford cars and trucks, that a high performance division continues cranking out HI-PO vehicles, while the workers that are laid off sit at home and collect unemployment? I think not. I would not be surprised nor angry if SVT doesn't resurface after the initial excitment of the GT 500 wears off. Ford still dropped the ball big time with those ugly raised hood vents, rather than the hood vents that were inset as shown on the prototype. Not sure what they were thinking there, but who the hell am I to tell them what to do.

As far as the SVT aspect and the Shelby aspect? Well it's like the guy with the MysticChrome Cobra said....the Shelby thing is just a marketing ploy to get the consumer base excited, and get people to spend money. Shelby probably voiced his opinion on a few things with the engine and styling, and suspension, but other than that was mostly left out of the loop. The rest was pure Ford design and technology. I wouldn't buy a new one for the simple fact that $40,000+ for ANY vehicle is just simply not worth it. It's just a car...not a precious gem, or box of gold bars. IT'S JUST AN AUTOMOBILE!!!!!!! It moves from point A to point B, then it gets you back to point A. I don't care if it's a truck, a car, a van, a dually, a roadster, whatever...the prices of vehicles is just absolutely ridiculous, and as long as people are willing to pay these crazy prices, they will only continue to go up until one day only the rich are able to buy vehicles, while the poor are forced to walk, take the bus, ride a bike, or car pool everywhere they want to go. $28,000 for a 300 hp Mustang GT is absolutely insane. I can take a 90's Mustang GT or Cobra, find a used 351 Windsor block, bore it out, stroke it to 408 cid, and running an 11:1 compression ratio, some aftermarket heads, pistons, and rods, I can crank out 500 hp, and have a 12 second street car, for $5500. That's a professionally built motor done by a professional engine building company. Now if I can do that, why in the heck would I would go waste $23,000 more to get 200 hp less? Ford needs to lower it's prices....and I mean big time. A Mustang GT with 300 hp should run no more than $14,000 or $15,000. A Cobra should maybe run between $19,000 and $20,000. Sad thing is, the very market they are targeting (the young adolescent to the young adult....age 16 - 30) just can't afford $600 or $700 per month payments to afford a $28,000.00 sports car that only get a measily 300 hp. Hell, my 97 Cobra gets that much horspower. Horsepower to cost ratio is ridiculous.

If Ford wants to stay afloat and regain it's customers, and the public trust, Ford would be wise to go an entirely new direction with it's automobile creations. Ford should heavily start working towards building and producing/selling vehicles that run off of hydrogen, water, and solar energy as opposed to gasoline. With the current instability of the oil markets, and the U.S. dependence on oil, Ford could win the hearts, confidence, and trust of millions, if it was the first to release innovative vehicles that didn't require gasoline, oil, or any other type of combustible fuel, and yet find a way to make them price friendly with the consumer. In order to do that though, they are going to definitely have to work on lowering the amount of recalls they have, and all the faulty components/parts.

Unfortunately this country is entering an era where the high performance vehicle may be seeing the end of it's time. I don't expect SVT to survive very much longer, which is one of the reasons I just bought my 97 Cobra. Once SVT disappears, their cars will become collector's items, and values will more than likely steadily climb.

Just my thoughts, and believe me I'm not a foreign car lover, I'm not anti-american. I love the sound of thunder from a v-8 with a throaty growl, and that wonderful deep bass rumble as much as anyone else on here. But the evidence, the facts, and the signs are all evident. The Big 3 are in serious trouble, and if they aren't careful, they might just not be around in the near future. It's time for the boys in Detroit to get their act together, before it's too late.

[Stavesacre21]

wow :surprise:


I think we've got the next fortune 500 CEO here!

Very in depth thought process :thumbsup: