SCMC on Track at Carolina Motorsports Park - Page 11

**cobrabitn** · 01-18-2005, 07:05 PM

Actually, since we are purchasing racing/timing insurance, we should be able to time ourselves. I'll have to double check on it though.

johnbasf · 01-18-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BTTBSS

Can you run with a G-tech installed? or is that pushing the envelope?

G-tech is fine as long as I don't know. What G-tech???

98banana · 01-19-2005, 09:45 AM

The problem with timing devices is with your own insurance. If something happens and you have to make a claim and they find out it was a timed event, you will not be covered and you will be dropped. You have to make sure there are instructors and no timing devices to qualify as a school.

When I am on the track, my wife never stands at the fence with a stopwatch timing laps. Neither does my son when she's not available. And I never have to check those times when I get back in after a session to compare with previous sessions. And, I never have to remind anybody to reset the watch before I go back out. Never.

LeadSSled · 01-19-2005, 10:04 AM

98banana - I understand your dilema, but it's kind of an oxymoron: "untimed driver's school". What better way to measure the progress of the student than through a progressive dropping of lap times. I know, insurance requirements aren't supposed to make sense.

After these old men in 4-doors pass all those high-performance cars, I wanted to be able to answer the question: "Just how much faster are you than I?"

Damn, now I'm starting to sound like Tony.

98banana · 01-19-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadSSled

98banana - I understand your dilema, but it's kind of an oxymoron: "untimed driver's school". What better way to measure the progress of the student than through a progressive dropping of lap times. I know, insurance requirements aren't supposed to make sense.

This is so true... who knows what insurance companies think. ???

Timing is an okay way to measure progress, but it's how well you get around the track that is more important than how fast. The key to this type of school is to learn car control, not racing. And, of course, to learn some aspects of racing such as proper line. Tony's still learning that one.

johnbasf · 01-19-2005, 12:18 PM

SIUNARA · 01-19-2005, 01:50 PM

Spoken like a true instructor Tom.

It's amazing the number of people that have slammed Tony's driving ability in this thread. Tony's going to get so pissed that he's going to pass all of us at least twice...in the lunch line maybe!!

BTTBSS · 01-19-2005, 01:55 PM

Exerpt from a SAFECO Auto Policy. The same language appears under the Liability, Medical Payments and Property Damage section.
Exclusions: We do not provide coverage for any insured/vehicle>
Any Vehicle,located inside a facility designed for racing, for the purpose of:
a: Competing in; or
b: practicing or preparing for:
any prearranged or organized racing or speed contest.

The way I interpert this is that lapping days with timing, autocrossing, and drag racing are not covered but street racing is OK as long as its not prearragned. The policy does not define "organized racing" or "speed contest" which leaves room to argue that autocrossing outside a facility designed for racing could be covered. I have discussed driving schools with underwriters and they get very non-commital but the policy does not mention driving schools at all so they should be covered since they are not excluded. That said, filing a claim with a race track as the location will likely get your policy cancelled once the claim is settled.

98banana · 01-19-2005, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTTBSS

Exerpt from a SAFECO Auto Policy. The same language appears under the Liability, Medical Payments and Property Damage section.
Exclusions: We do not provide coverage for any insured/vehicle>
Any Vehicle,located inside a facility designed for racing, for the purpose of:
a: Competing in; or
b: practicing or preparing for:
any prearranged or organized racing or speed contest.

The way I interpert this is that lapping days with timing, autocrossing, and drag racing are not covered but street racing is OK as long as its not prearragned. The policy does not define "organized racing" or "speed contest" which leaves room to argue that autocrossing outside a facility designed for racing could be covered. I have discussed driving schools with underwriters and they get very non-commital but the policy does not mention driving schools at all so they should be covered since they are not excluded. That said, filing a claim with a race track as the location will likely get your policy cancelled once the claim is settled.

That's pretty much what I have heard as well... they'll cover it, then they'll drop you.

I would assume that an autocross in a parking lot becomes a "facility designed for racing" once the first cone is placed.

EDIT: BTTBSS, that is a very cool picture in your sig!

Big Daddy · 01-19-2005, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98banana

That's pretty much what I have heard as well... they'll cover it, then they'll drop you.

I would assume that an autocross in a parking lot becomes a "facility designed for racing" once the first cone is placed.

EDIT: BTTBSS, that is a very cool picture in your sig!

Well I guess I got lucky when I smacked the tire wall at Road Atlanta as my insurance company not only covered it but didn't drop me! Then I lost the engine due to a flash flood within the same year. Again they covered it (and my aftermarket parts) and still didn't drop me. Now my premiums did go up SOME!

FCorkran · 01-19-2005, 06:44 PM

Come on, don't leave us hanging - who is your insurance with?

Big Daddy · 01-20-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FCorkran

Come on, don't leave us hanging - who is your insurance with?

It's through a Horace Mann company Teachers Insurance! You must be a teacher or like me be married to one!

But I think the real reason they didn't drop me is they didn't want to lose the coverage on my other two vehicles and the house!

timz06 · 01-21-2005, 10:24 PM

I have a hot lap timer in the camaro. I am planning on timing myself...if I wreck it is gone, no insurance except liability.

Man, I have to tell you guys it is really going to be ugly, all you guys getting passed by my slomaro...even worse than the z06.

Just one more ? again?? is there a lapping day on the friday before the event? I want to make sure I get enough track time, as I am being sentenced to china after this event.

here is video with me and a friend of mine at road atlanta, he is running a 79 mustang with 400 at the wheels, take a look at the end I almost hit the wall in 7

http://69.73.156.222/movies/rafun1.wmv

Tim

2KWhiteSnake · 01-21-2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timz06

I have a hot lap timer in the camaro. I am planning on timing myself...if I wreck it is gone, no insurance except liability.

Man, I have to tell you guys it is really going to be ugly, all you guys getting passed by my slomaro...even worse than the z06.

Just one more ? again?? is there a lapping day on the friday before the event? I want to make sure I get enough track time, as I am being sentenced to china after this event.

here is video with me and a friend of mine at road atlanta, he is running a 79 mustang with 400 at the wheels, take a look at the end I almost hit the wall in 7

http://69.73.156.222/movies/rafun1.wmv

Tim

Heyya Tim!

Noper, no lapping day on Friday from looking at the CMP website. Their lapping day is on March 4th. Is Sammy gonna make it this year?

Craig

SIUNARA · 01-22-2005, 01:24 AM

So what's the setup on this slomaro? Full AI trim? Those cars done up right aren't much of a step down from a streetable Z06.

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01-19-2005, 10:04 AM	#154
LeadSSled Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 250	98banana - I understand your dilema, but it's kind of an oxymoron: "untimed driver's school". What better way to measure the progress of the student than through a progressive dropping of lap times. I know, insurance requirements aren't supposed to make sense. After these old men in 4-doors pass all those high-performance cars, I wanted to be able to answer the question: "Just how much faster are you than I?" Damn, now I'm starting to sound like Tony. __________________ On the "dark side": 1996 Chevrolet Impala SS (not quite stock) 12.38 @ 110mph - all motor, 4350# race weight I drive a hybrid: it burns both gas and rubber. LeadSSled's website

01-19-2005, 12:18 PM	#156
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01-19-2005, 01:50 PM	#157
SIUNARA Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: State College, Pa. Posts: 374	Spoken like a true instructor Tom. It's amazing the number of people that have slammed Tony's driving ability in this thread. Tony's going to get so pissed that he's going to pass all of us at least twice...in the lunch line maybe!! __________________ Don Page 95 Cobra

01-19-2005, 01:55 PM	#158
BTTBSS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Music City Posts: 63	Insurance Requirements Exerpt from a SAFECO Auto Policy. The same language appears under the Liability, Medical Payments and Property Damage section. Exclusions: We do not provide coverage for any insured/vehicle> Any Vehicle,located inside a facility designed for racing, for the purpose of: a: Competing in; or b: practicing or preparing for: any prearranged or organized racing or speed contest. The way I interpert this is that lapping days with timing, autocrossing, and drag racing are not covered but street racing is OK as long as its not prearragned. The policy does not define "organized racing" or "speed contest" which leaves room to argue that autocrossing outside a facility designed for racing could be covered. I have discussed driving schools with underwriters and they get very non-commital but the policy does not mention driving schools at all so they should be covered since they are not excluded. That said, filing a claim with a race track as the location will likely get your policy cancelled once the claim is settled. __________________

01-19-2005, 09:45 AM	#153
98banana Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: North, SC Posts: 1,789	The problem with timing devices is with your own insurance. If something happens and you have to make a claim and they find out it was a timed event, you will not be covered and you will be dropped. You have to make sure there are instructors and no timing devices to qualify as a school. When I am on the track, my wife never stands at the fence with a stopwatch timing laps. Neither does my son when she's not available. And I never have to check those times when I get back in after a session to compare with previous sessions. And, I never have to remind anybody to reset the watch before I go back out. Never.

01-19-2005, 06:44 PM	#161
FCorkran Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 24	Come on, don't leave us hanging - who is your insurance with? __________________ Frank Corkran

01-21-2005, 10:24 PM	#163
timz06 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 112	I have a hot lap timer in the camaro. I am planning on timing myself...if I wreck it is gone, no insurance except liability. Man, I have to tell you guys it is really going to be ugly, all you guys getting passed by my slomaro...even worse than the z06. Just one more ? again?? is there a lapping day on the friday before the event? I want to make sure I get enough track time, as I am being sentenced to china after this event. here is video with me and a friend of mine at road atlanta, he is running a 79 mustang with 400 at the wheels, take a look at the end I almost hit the wall in 7 http://69.73.156.222/movies/rafun1.wmv Tim __________________ 2001 z06

01-22-2005, 01:24 AM	#165
SIUNARA Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: State College, Pa. Posts: 374	So what's the setup on this slomaro? Full AI trim? Those cars done up right aren't much of a step down from a streetable Z06. __________________ Don Page 95 Cobra

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