anyone have a Whipple? - Page 2

blk04cobra1 · 02-12-2006, 09:01 PM

I say...go with the 60's...the worst thing you can do now (assuming you're getting the Whipple) is starve the motor of fuel, trust me. (not saying that you are) Dont do this half-ass, go all out or nothing

. you've built a very nice car, i'd hate to see it not give you it's full potential b/c you took the short road. Also, i'd heed Dan's advice, he's done quite a few whipples/kb's and he'll be doing my turbo car here in a few weeks

Dave B. · 02-12-2006, 09:23 PM

I would like to hear again from Dan on my question, why is Whipple telling us 42Lbs injectors?? why would they say that??

I want to hear some specifics on this, I absolutly hate it when there is a differant story on the same question,,,there can only be one right and one wrong

Dave B. · 02-13-2006, 12:07 AM

The shop working on my car is True Performance here in Sarasota,FL
we are getting the two Focus SVT pumps.

the guy there has called around, and 42's were what they told him, now if 60's are what we need, I have no problem buying and installing them, guess the other question would be, is there a down side to drivability going slow? or crusing? if you know these answers for sure then please explain this, thanks

Big Daddy · 02-13-2006, 12:39 AM

I don't have any data but I had 42lb injectors and they crapped out around 525 rwhp. I now have 55lb injectors, upgraded fuel lines, '03/'04 pumps and tank and a Boost-a-pump. I now have enough fuel system to get me to around 650 rwhp. The 600 rwhp is already to much to get any traction. The more power the more important the suspension, brakes, and tires!

Dave B. · 02-13-2006, 12:55 AM

ok, I see, instead of buying the two Focus SVT pumps buy some other type of higher power pump yet?? what is this boost a pump thing??

hey where can I find some dyno charts on 03-04 cobras with bigger Superchargers?? I would like to see what some of these are really doing??

Dave B. · 02-13-2006, 01:56 AM

I just read about the Boost A Pump,

I think I understand it, at first I thought it was some type of in fuel line boost pump but its not, Am i correct in saying that all it does is keep the voltage/current that supplys the fuel pump with power, high so that the pump works at its peek, thus out performing larger pumps that start to run down on current durring the run? am I wrong?? can I use one of these with what ever larger injectors instead of replacing the stock fuel pumps? and can it be set at one voltage and left?

NO 5 OH · 02-13-2006, 02:36 AM

There seems to be some "mis-information" going on around here so I'll try to guide you in the right direction. This is stuff I have read, and factual data that I have aquired through dynoing my own car.

A Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump increases the voltage to the pumps making the pumps work harder than what they do under normal circumstances. When they first developed the 2.2L for the 03 Cobra they managed to get 617 rwhp with the stock injectors, pumps and lines. This was at 21 psi from what I read. What they didn't say in that article of BS they wrote was that they were using 100 octane unleaded in those tests so this wasn't horsepower that was made on pump gas and this wasn't on a "stock" tune either. It says in Whipple's instructions (and used to on their site) that the Cobra stock fuel system/injectors are "okay for 13 psi." So from what testing KB did... you can make 600 + to the tires on the stock injectors... I just wouldn't recommend doing it.

On my car I run a 3.20 upper/2 lb lower and see about 17 psi... a little more now that it's cold outside. I have the 60 lb injectors, and a KB BAP set to 30%... I've made 613/577 to the tires with a really rich tune (IE in the 10's air/fuel wise). At this horsepower level I am maxing the pump duty cycle out... and this is never a good idea. I need to upgrade my fuel system but haven't had the money to do so yet. I wouldn't waste the time/money on the Focus pumps as there are better alternatives out there and there has been testing done that shows they aren't as adequate as the stock pumps plus a BAP. For 600 plus to the tires I would think at minimum you'd need this:

60 lb injectors/harnesses
Wiring upgrade from battery to pumps (8 or 10 gauge wire)
Aviator or Ford GT pumps
8an feed line from fuel pump hat to rails, new filter with 8an inlet/outlet

Lethal Performance has a complete, ready to go fuel system that will support all the horsepower you'd ever need and comes complete, but it is expensive at 1400 dollars shipped for everything. Since you are in Florida I would talk to Sam at Coastal Dyno as he's the one that came up with this fuel system, and ask his opinion on what you should have in order to get enough fuel to your car for the blower upgrade.

This is all my opinion... that and fifty cents will get you a pack of crackers

Use the information wisely

Shannon

**Pro-Dyno** · 02-13-2006, 08:28 AM

I can pm you the names of a few shops that I have tuned these for and were told the same things. As well as I have tuned 100ed's of kb & Wipple cars. I tune for a living this is my profession and if you came to me with 42’s and a whipple I would have to send you home so we wouldn’t waste each others time a wipple car with 15# boost should easily make 560rwhp-580rwhp this will far exceed what a 42# inj can handle.

kilroy · 02-13-2006, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NO 5 OH

This is all my opinion... that and fifty cents will get you a pack of crackers

Use the information wisely

Shannon

Pack 'o crackas, yo

You coming down to play @ Jackson this Saturday Shannon? Hope you can make it out

Linn@Amazon · 02-13-2006, 08:12 PM

you will need 60# injectors ..we do Whipple installs very frequently and this is a must even for low boost.

Dave B. · 02-13-2006, 08:24 PM

60 Lbs injectors it is then, I spoke with a guy my self this time at Whipple today, he did'nt know a dang thing about which injectors to use,

I looked into it a little more and sure enough, 600 RWHP will need 60 pounders,,,,,,,,,that is all

blk04cobra1 · 02-13-2006, 08:53 PM

If you need some, let me know...we can get them for a pretty good deal with the harnesses that you'll need

Dave B. · 02-13-2006, 09:26 PM

Harness???????? does it not come with the injectors?

InfamousSVT · 02-14-2006, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave B.

Harness???????? does it not come with the injectors?

Nope, you'll have to purchase the injector harnesses too. Usually around $130 or so.

blk04cobra1 · 02-14-2006, 09:21 AM

Dave, i tried to shoot you a PM...we can do the everything for $425 shipped...that includes anyone on the board.

02-12-2006, 09:01 PM	#16
blk04cobra1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,374	I say...go with the 60's...the worst thing you can do now (assuming you're getting the Whipple) is starve the motor of fuel, trust me. (not saying that you are) Dont do this half-ass, go all out or nothing . you've built a very nice car, i'd hate to see it not give you it's full potential b/c you took the short road. Also, i'd heed Dan's advice, he's done quite a few whipples/kb's and he'll be doing my turbo car here in a few weeks __________________ 2004 Cobra HP Twin 67's 785rwhp on 9lbs of boost

02-12-2006, 09:23 PM	#17
Dave B. Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 479	I would like to hear again from Dan on my question, why is Whipple telling us 42Lbs injectors?? why would they say that?? I want to hear some specifics on this, I absolutly hate it when there is a differant story on the same question,,,there can only be one right and one wrong __________________ 03 Cobra 10th Anniversary Red Stiegermeier Stage 4 ported Eaton 511.9 RWHP 467.7 RWTQ 2,76 Billetflow SC pulley Billetflow Aux-idler all billetflow idler pulleys Accufab single blade MAC cold air BBK Ceramic LT headers X-pipe Magnaflow exhaust Gordsford heat exchanger PST Carbon fiber drive shaft lowered 1.5 inches 18 X 9's AFS running Toyos 275/35/18's front 18 X 10.5's AFS running Toyos 295/35/18's rear Cobra "R" rear wing Cobra "R" hood 4:10 gears Pedator tuned Pro short shifter Hurst "T" handle Promotion Clutch Quad AEM widband gauge Boost & fuel Press gauges drilled & slotted rotors

02-13-2006, 12:07 AM	#18
Dave B. Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 479	The shop working on my car is True Performance here in Sarasota,FL we are getting the two Focus SVT pumps. the guy there has called around, and 42's were what they told him, now if 60's are what we need, I have no problem buying and installing them, guess the other question would be, is there a down side to drivability going slow? or crusing? if you know these answers for sure then please explain this, thanks __________________ 03 Cobra 10th Anniversary Red Stiegermeier Stage 4 ported Eaton 511.9 RWHP 467.7 RWTQ 2,76 Billetflow SC pulley Billetflow Aux-idler all billetflow idler pulleys Accufab single blade MAC cold air BBK Ceramic LT headers X-pipe Magnaflow exhaust Gordsford heat exchanger PST Carbon fiber drive shaft lowered 1.5 inches 18 X 9's AFS running Toyos 275/35/18's front 18 X 10.5's AFS running Toyos 295/35/18's rear Cobra "R" rear wing Cobra "R" hood 4:10 gears Pedator tuned Pro short shifter Hurst "T" handle Promotion Clutch Quad AEM widband gauge Boost & fuel Press gauges drilled & slotted rotors

02-13-2006, 12:39 AM	#19
Big Daddy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 4,885	I don't have any data but I had 42lb injectors and they crapped out around 525 rwhp. I now have 55lb injectors, upgraded fuel lines, '03/'04 pumps and tank and a Boost-a-pump. I now have enough fuel system to get me to around 650 rwhp. The 600 rwhp is already to much to get any traction. The more power the more important the suspension, brakes, and tires! __________________ 2008 Shelby GT500 White w/Blue Stripes STOCK AND STAYING THAT WAY! Kenny Brown '01 Cobra S Serial # 01-047C True Blue Performance Forged Short Block FR500 Heads & Cams, Fluidyne Radiator McLeod Clutch and aluminum flywheel Aluminum Driveshaft, UPR adjustable clutch cable GT40 Fuel Tank & pumps, Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump, 60lb injectors, Vortech T-Trim W/After Cooler, 2.9" RR Pulley Anderson Power Pipe, Accufab Throttle Body (USELESS IMHO), MGW Shifter with the blue handle KB Oil Cooling system, KB Differential Cooler Autometer Phantom boost and fuel pressure guages Kenny Brown Aero Kit, Kooks LT Headers H-Pipe with H-flow cats, Bassani Cat Back Snow Boost Cooler T56 Six Speed Tranny MGW BLING-BLING interior stuff 645RWHP and 558RWTQ

02-13-2006, 12:55 AM	#20
Dave B. Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 479	ok, I see, instead of buying the two Focus SVT pumps buy some other type of higher power pump yet?? what is this boost a pump thing?? hey where can I find some dyno charts on 03-04 cobras with bigger Superchargers?? I would like to see what some of these are really doing?? __________________ 03 Cobra 10th Anniversary Red Stiegermeier Stage 4 ported Eaton 511.9 RWHP 467.7 RWTQ 2,76 Billetflow SC pulley Billetflow Aux-idler all billetflow idler pulleys Accufab single blade MAC cold air BBK Ceramic LT headers X-pipe Magnaflow exhaust Gordsford heat exchanger PST Carbon fiber drive shaft lowered 1.5 inches 18 X 9's AFS running Toyos 275/35/18's front 18 X 10.5's AFS running Toyos 295/35/18's rear Cobra "R" rear wing Cobra "R" hood 4:10 gears Pedator tuned Pro short shifter Hurst "T" handle Promotion Clutch Quad AEM widband gauge Boost & fuel Press gauges drilled & slotted rotors

02-13-2006, 01:56 AM	#21
Dave B. Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 479	I just read about the Boost A Pump, I think I understand it, at first I thought it was some type of in fuel line boost pump but its not, Am i correct in saying that all it does is keep the voltage/current that supplys the fuel pump with power, high so that the pump works at its peek, thus out performing larger pumps that start to run down on current durring the run? am I wrong?? can I use one of these with what ever larger injectors instead of replacing the stock fuel pumps? and can it be set at one voltage and left? __________________ 03 Cobra 10th Anniversary Red Stiegermeier Stage 4 ported Eaton 511.9 RWHP 467.7 RWTQ 2,76 Billetflow SC pulley Billetflow Aux-idler all billetflow idler pulleys Accufab single blade MAC cold air BBK Ceramic LT headers X-pipe Magnaflow exhaust Gordsford heat exchanger PST Carbon fiber drive shaft lowered 1.5 inches 18 X 9's AFS running Toyos 275/35/18's front 18 X 10.5's AFS running Toyos 295/35/18's rear Cobra "R" rear wing Cobra "R" hood 4:10 gears Pedator tuned Pro short shifter Hurst "T" handle Promotion Clutch Quad AEM widband gauge Boost & fuel Press gauges drilled & slotted rotors

02-13-2006, 02:36 AM	#22
NO 5 OH Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 1,613	There seems to be some "mis-information" going on around here so I'll try to guide you in the right direction. This is stuff I have read, and factual data that I have aquired through dynoing my own car. A Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump increases the voltage to the pumps making the pumps work harder than what they do under normal circumstances. When they first developed the 2.2L for the 03 Cobra they managed to get 617 rwhp with the stock injectors, pumps and lines. This was at 21 psi from what I read. What they didn't say in that article of BS they wrote was that they were using 100 octane unleaded in those tests so this wasn't horsepower that was made on pump gas and this wasn't on a "stock" tune either. It says in Whipple's instructions (and used to on their site) that the Cobra stock fuel system/injectors are "okay for 13 psi." So from what testing KB did... you can make 600 + to the tires on the stock injectors... I just wouldn't recommend doing it. On my car I run a 3.20 upper/2 lb lower and see about 17 psi... a little more now that it's cold outside. I have the 60 lb injectors, and a KB BAP set to 30%... I've made 613/577 to the tires with a really rich tune (IE in the 10's air/fuel wise). At this horsepower level I am maxing the pump duty cycle out... and this is never a good idea. I need to upgrade my fuel system but haven't had the money to do so yet. I wouldn't waste the time/money on the Focus pumps as there are better alternatives out there and there has been testing done that shows they aren't as adequate as the stock pumps plus a BAP. For 600 plus to the tires I would think at minimum you'd need this: 60 lb injectors/harnesses Wiring upgrade from battery to pumps (8 or 10 gauge wire) Aviator or Ford GT pumps 8an feed line from fuel pump hat to rails, new filter with 8an inlet/outlet Lethal Performance has a complete, ready to go fuel system that will support all the horsepower you'd ever need and comes complete, but it is expensive at 1400 dollars shipped for everything. Since you are in Florida I would talk to Sam at Coastal Dyno as he's the one that came up with this fuel system, and ask his opinion on what you should have in order to get enough fuel to your car for the blower upgrade. This is all my opinion... that and fifty cents will get you a pack of crackers Use the information wisely Shannon __________________ 03 Torch Red 10th Anniversary Convertible A few bolt-on's, a black supercharger and some boost... The replacement for displacement has "Whipple" cast into it. Chuck Norris built my Cobra. It runs off the tears of small children and makes 10,000 horsepower. He calls it his "street version."

02-13-2006, 08:28 AM	#23
Pro-Dyno Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fort Mill, SC Posts: 696	I can pm you the names of a few shops that I have tuned these for and were told the same things. As well as I have tuned 100ed's of kb & Wipple cars. I tune for a living this is my profession and if you came to me with 42’s and a whipple I would have to send you home so we wouldn’t waste each others time a wipple car with 15# boost should easily make 560rwhp-580rwhp this will far exceed what a 42# inj can handle. __________________

02-13-2006, 08:12 PM	#25
Linn@Amazon Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 198	you will need 60# injectors ..we do Whipple installs very frequently and this is a must even for low boost.

02-13-2006, 08:24 PM	#26
Dave B. Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 479	60 Lbs injectors it is then, I spoke with a guy my self this time at Whipple today, he did'nt know a dang thing about which injectors to use, I looked into it a little more and sure enough, 600 RWHP will need 60 pounders,,,,,,,,,that is all __________________ 03 Cobra 10th Anniversary Red Stiegermeier Stage 4 ported Eaton 511.9 RWHP 467.7 RWTQ 2,76 Billetflow SC pulley Billetflow Aux-idler all billetflow idler pulleys Accufab single blade MAC cold air BBK Ceramic LT headers X-pipe Magnaflow exhaust Gordsford heat exchanger PST Carbon fiber drive shaft lowered 1.5 inches 18 X 9's AFS running Toyos 275/35/18's front 18 X 10.5's AFS running Toyos 295/35/18's rear Cobra "R" rear wing Cobra "R" hood 4:10 gears Pedator tuned Pro short shifter Hurst "T" handle Promotion Clutch Quad AEM widband gauge Boost & fuel Press gauges drilled & slotted rotors

02-13-2006, 08:53 PM	#27
blk04cobra1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,374	If you need some, let me know...we can get them for a pretty good deal with the harnesses that you'll need __________________ 2004 Cobra HP Twin 67's 785rwhp on 9lbs of boost

02-13-2006, 09:26 PM	#28
Dave B. Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 479	Harness???????? does it not come with the injectors? __________________ 03 Cobra 10th Anniversary Red Stiegermeier Stage 4 ported Eaton 511.9 RWHP 467.7 RWTQ 2,76 Billetflow SC pulley Billetflow Aux-idler all billetflow idler pulleys Accufab single blade MAC cold air BBK Ceramic LT headers X-pipe Magnaflow exhaust Gordsford heat exchanger PST Carbon fiber drive shaft lowered 1.5 inches 18 X 9's AFS running Toyos 275/35/18's front 18 X 10.5's AFS running Toyos 295/35/18's rear Cobra "R" rear wing Cobra "R" hood 4:10 gears Pedator tuned Pro short shifter Hurst "T" handle Promotion Clutch Quad AEM widband gauge Boost & fuel Press gauges drilled & slotted rotors

02-14-2006, 09:21 AM	#30
blk04cobra1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,374	Dave, i tried to shoot you a PM...we can do the everything for $425 shipped...that includes anyone on the board. __________________ 2004 Cobra HP Twin 67's 785rwhp on 9lbs of boost

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