Official Registration Form for SCMC on Track at Gingerman Raceway -- Sept 15-16, 2007 - Page 2

**cobrabitn** · 08-06-2007, 09:20 PM

Add another AC Cobra, SVT Cobra, and Corvette to the bunch!

LeadSSled · 08-08-2007, 10:57 AM

FYI, apparently Impalas are not welcome at Gingerman. You should be aware of that in case any should attempt to sign up for your event. If one were to make the trip and not be able to run, it could get ugly. Here is the whole story:

Here is the original post from the Corvette forum: LINK!

Last Thursday night I organized a group of friends and business associates to run the Evening Test and Tune at GingerMan. It's a 2 1/2 hour drive plus the time change so everyone took a vacation day. Our little group was 4 vettes, along with an M roadster, Impala SS and Mistu 3000 GT.

My co-worker with the Impala was registered, paid, suited up and heading to grid to run with our group, when the track manager stopped him and told him he could not run! The reason: His car was too big and heavy and not "sporty enough". (The track manager is wearing his PCA Tee shirt. )

I asked the track manager if he would look at the brakes and a few other things on the Impala and he refused, saying that insurance regulations would not permit the car on track!!!!!!!!!!

This same 94 Impala and driver was the Mid-Priced Sedan winner in the Car & Driver One Lap at least once that I can remember. It is outfitted with Wilwood GN calipers & rotors, (same caliper used on Winston Cup cars running at Watkins Glen) lowered on Eibach springs, Koni adjustables, Hodgkiss sway bars, ZF 6-speed manual, etc, etc, etc.

Dave has run this car at Road America, Watkins Glen, Blackhawk Farms, And GingerMan many times. His lap times have been consistent with experienced drivers running C4 Corvettes on R-compound tires (he runs full depth Michelins). He was really looking forward to running a new 383 engine that recently replaced the aging LT1.

Dave packs up the car and leaves with his son and friend after fighting manger for a refund on his credit card. I talk to track owner (Dan S.) and he refuses to over rule his manger. Dave has been giving manager attitude... yeah, like the manger isn't being a bit of an ass.

The rest of us decided to continue, but a cloud was over the whole evening. Meanwhile the manager has no problem letting a 4 door 280 Mercedes on track, a poorly maintained 3 Series with a driver that can't tell a checker from a black flag. We had to put up with a 911 racecar that seemed to be more of a rolling chicane that anything, as well as a lot of foreign speaking drivers that couldn't drive nor could they point you by. Then he added a fourth run group of these clowns with there superior German cars which cut down on our track time even more. They had to red flag one session because on of these geniuses ignored several black flags.

I know I will never organize another outing at GingerMan, and it's doubtful that I will run there again after this experience. It used to be one of my favorite tracks. Its three days later and I'm still upset.

Going to GingerMan? Call ahead to find out if your car is on the A-list. It may not be "cool" enough to run.

PETSNKE · 08-08-2007, 12:02 PM

I ran Gingerman T&T last year when a different manager was running the track (they have a new track manager every year, job must pay peanuts). I can tell you it was a free for all, cars were going off track almost every other lap. There was no authority figuire present that took control of grid. This year I ran Friday T&T before the SVTOA event and it was a totally different scenario.
They have a max of 6 cars on track, absolutely no-passengers unless you are a licensed instructor and only 3 passing zones. The main reason I made the trek last year was because I could take a passenger. When I asked about the changes this year I was told it was due to their insurance company, they must have had a claim or a carrier change. BTW, I agree this years track manager does have a bit of a attitude but maybe there's a reason for that.

Fortunately, SCMC will not be on their insurance or have to adhere to their requirements, but these rules will hold if there is a Friday night test & tune session available the day before.

BTW, I still got 3-20 minute sessions in for my $60

**cobrabitn** · 08-08-2007, 09:00 PM

SCMC carries its own insurance and not Gingerman's insurance. That's the first I ever heard of a Taxi cab problem but I will call them tomorrow and clear it up if I can get a hold of them. I thought Lensa was over the track?

I just read the rest of the thread and it seems mistakes were made and hopefully they can clear them up. I hate it for the Impala driver as I am sure he was very upset. We have never had a problem from this track, ever. They always look forward to us coming out and running our event. Again, I will check with Gary and see what if anything is different.

tazzracing1 · 08-08-2007, 11:02 PM

I'm ready for the show and remember Jeff I have a place for you car if need be.

Lumpydogs · 08-09-2007, 12:25 PM

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**cobrabitn** · 08-18-2007, 09:27 PM

List Updated!

**Cobra-R** · 08-20-2007, 10:56 AM

I just called the Holiday in Express in South Haven (the host hotel), they are full the weekend of our event.

If anyone finds rooms available at other South Haven Hotels, please post here, along with phone numbers.

Thanks Brian

Lumpydogs · 08-20-2007, 12:26 PM

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**Cobra-R** · 08-20-2007, 01:30 PM

Thanks, Jeff

Anyone who is interested in running on Friday from 1pm-5pm for $60 at Gingerman, please post here. Gingerman needs a car count to see if it justifys having the track open on Friday. The steam club is coming in Friday evening, so running that night is not an option.

Thanks, Brian

PETSNKE · 08-20-2007, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra-R

Anyone who is interested in running on Friday from 1pm-5pm for $60 at Gingerman, please post here. Gingerman needs a car count to see if it justifys having the track open on Friday. The steam club is coming in Friday evening, so running that night is not an option.

You can count me in Brian

Lumpydogs · 08-20-2007, 06:12 PM

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**cobrabitn** · 08-20-2007, 06:22 PM

Update on the situation with the Taxi Cab.

That night was a test and tune so those restrictions for the track do not apply to our event. We can have Taxi cabs if y'all want to come out and run with us.

Basically, Gary told me it is our track for the weekend as it has been in the past and as long as we stay within the boundaries of our insurance, which covers non SCMC members, then our participants can run whatever car they want as long as they are safe for the track and no open wheel vs. closed wheel vehicles while out on the track.

SVT_KY · 08-21-2007, 09:33 PM

The engine is back in Christine !!!!

WOOT !!!!

Now the question remains ... Do I just pay to play or do you need instructors?

Cliff

UPDATE: HAMPTON IS FULL FOR Saturday, but a block of rooms is opening up SEP 1st. Anyone know any other hotels?

**Cobra-R** · 08-22-2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVT_KY

Do I just pay to play or do you need instructors?

You should have already recieved a email answering this.

Brian

08-06-2007, 09:20 PM	#16
cobrabitn Dr Jekyll on the street, Mr Hyde on the track Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rock Hill SC Posts: 14,649	Add another AC Cobra, SVT Cobra, and Corvette to the bunch! __________________ Cobrabitn 2016 Ruby Red Metallic with Caribou accent F-350 Crew Cab Stump Puller! 6.7 Diesel Automatic with Chrome Package, Off Road Package, 3.55 Locking axles, and Ultimate Lariat Interior Trim Package! 2017 Shelby GT350 Coupe - track car! Mods: JLT True Cold Air oil catch can 2009 Vista Blue Shelby GT 500 Coupe - Garage Queen Tinted Windows JLT True Cold Air Kit Pro-Dyno Tune 526 rwhp - 511 rwtq 1994 Rio Red Indy Pace Car #22 "Runabout" Snake in the grill MGW shift knob 1996 SVT Cobra Wheels 1969 New Lime Mustang Mach 1 Sportsroof - Second owner - bone stock with shaker. One SVT Cobra, one Shelby GT500, one 69 mach 1, and a Shelby GT350 is better than nothing! Custom Data Plates for your Mustang or Ford! Buy "Cool Merchandise" at Data Plates Plus www.dataplatesplus.com See my MSR Video here!

08-08-2007, 10:57 AM	#17
LeadSSled Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 250	FYI, apparently Impalas are not welcome at Gingerman. You should be aware of that in case any should attempt to sign up for your event. If one were to make the trip and not be able to run, it could get ugly. Here is the whole story: Here is the original post from the Corvette forum: LINK! Last Thursday night I organized a group of friends and business associates to run the Evening Test and Tune at GingerMan. It's a 2 1/2 hour drive plus the time change so everyone took a vacation day. Our little group was 4 vettes, along with an M roadster, Impala SS and Mistu 3000 GT. My co-worker with the Impala was registered, paid, suited up and heading to grid to run with our group, when the track manager stopped him and told him he could not run! The reason: His car was too big and heavy and not "sporty enough". (The track manager is wearing his PCA Tee shirt. ) I asked the track manager if he would look at the brakes and a few other things on the Impala and he refused, saying that insurance regulations would not permit the car on track!!!!!!!!!! This same 94 Impala and driver was the Mid-Priced Sedan winner in the Car & Driver One Lap at least once that I can remember. It is outfitted with Wilwood GN calipers & rotors, (same caliper used on Winston Cup cars running at Watkins Glen) lowered on Eibach springs, Koni adjustables, Hodgkiss sway bars, ZF 6-speed manual, etc, etc, etc. Dave has run this car at Road America, Watkins Glen, Blackhawk Farms, And GingerMan many times. His lap times have been consistent with experienced drivers running C4 Corvettes on R-compound tires (he runs full depth Michelins). He was really looking forward to running a new 383 engine that recently replaced the aging LT1. Dave packs up the car and leaves with his son and friend after fighting manger for a refund on his credit card. I talk to track owner (Dan S.) and he refuses to over rule his manger. Dave has been giving manager attitude... yeah, like the manger isn't being a bit of an ass. The rest of us decided to continue, but a cloud was over the whole evening. Meanwhile the manager has no problem letting a 4 door 280 Mercedes on track, a poorly maintained 3 Series with a driver that can't tell a checker from a black flag. We had to put up with a 911 racecar that seemed to be more of a rolling chicane that anything, as well as a lot of foreign speaking drivers that couldn't drive nor could they point you by. Then he added a fourth run group of these clowns with there superior German cars which cut down on our track time even more. They had to red flag one session because on of these geniuses ignored several black flags. I know I will never organize another outing at GingerMan, and it's doubtful that I will run there again after this experience. It used to be one of my favorite tracks. Its three days later and I'm still upset. Going to GingerMan? Call ahead to find out if your car is on the A-list. It may not be "cool" enough to run. __________________ On the "dark side": 1996 Chevrolet Impala SS (not quite stock) 12.38 @ 110mph - all motor, 4350# race weight I drive a hybrid: it burns both gas and rubber. LeadSSled's website

08-08-2007, 12:02 PM	#18
PETSNKE Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tinley Park, IL Posts: 76	I ran Gingerman T&T last year when a different manager was running the track (they have a new track manager every year, job must pay peanuts). I can tell you it was a free for all, cars were going off track almost every other lap. There was no authority figuire present that took control of grid. This year I ran Friday T&T before the SVTOA event and it was a totally different scenario. They have a max of 6 cars on track, absolutely no-passengers unless you are a licensed instructor and only 3 passing zones. The main reason I made the trek last year was because I could take a passenger. When I asked about the changes this year I was told it was due to their insurance company, they must have had a claim or a carrier change. BTW, I agree this years track manager does have a bit of a attitude but maybe there's a reason for that. Fortunately, SCMC will not be on their insurance or have to adhere to their requirements, but these rules will hold if there is a Friday night test & tune session available the day before. BTW, I still got 3-20 minute sessions in for my $60 __________________ Larry '97 Cobra Coupe

08-08-2007, 09:00 PM	#19
cobrabitn Dr Jekyll on the street, Mr Hyde on the track Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rock Hill SC Posts: 14,649	SCMC carries its own insurance and not Gingerman's insurance. That's the first I ever heard of a Taxi cab problem but I will call them tomorrow and clear it up if I can get a hold of them. I thought Lensa was over the track? I just read the rest of the thread and it seems mistakes were made and hopefully they can clear them up. I hate it for the Impala driver as I am sure he was very upset. We have never had a problem from this track, ever. They always look forward to us coming out and running our event. Again, I will check with Gary and see what if anything is different. __________________ Cobrabitn 2016 Ruby Red Metallic with Caribou accent F-350 Crew Cab Stump Puller! 6.7 Diesel Automatic with Chrome Package, Off Road Package, 3.55 Locking axles, and Ultimate Lariat Interior Trim Package! 2017 Shelby GT350 Coupe - track car! Mods: JLT True Cold Air oil catch can 2009 Vista Blue Shelby GT 500 Coupe - Garage Queen Tinted Windows JLT True Cold Air Kit Pro-Dyno Tune 526 rwhp - 511 rwtq 1994 Rio Red Indy Pace Car #22 "Runabout" Snake in the grill MGW shift knob 1996 SVT Cobra Wheels 1969 New Lime Mustang Mach 1 Sportsroof - Second owner - bone stock with shaker. One SVT Cobra, one Shelby GT500, one 69 mach 1, and a Shelby GT350 is better than nothing! Custom Data Plates for your Mustang or Ford! Buy "Cool Merchandise" at Data Plates Plus www.dataplatesplus.com See my MSR Video here!

08-08-2007, 11:02 PM	#20
tazzracing1 SCMC Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Paw Paw, michigan Posts: 904	I'm ready for the show and remember Jeff I have a place for you car if need be. __________________ 2003 S/C Cobra(born 6/10/2002 #439 of 8394) 2.93 pulley/Cold air intake X-pipe with cats/Magnaflowcatback Strut tower bar and subframe connectors MGW shifter second to none/best of the best Billetflow pullies with snub pulley 1997 Cobra(retired) www.michiganmustang.com

08-09-2007, 12:25 PM	#21
Lumpydogs Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 517	..... __________________ Lumpydog 2001 Cobra Coupe NA Mod Motor 329 rwhp 344 rwtq www.lumpydogmotorsports.com

08-18-2007, 09:27 PM	#22
cobrabitn Dr Jekyll on the street, Mr Hyde on the track Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rock Hill SC Posts: 14,649	List Updated! __________________ Cobrabitn 2016 Ruby Red Metallic with Caribou accent F-350 Crew Cab Stump Puller! 6.7 Diesel Automatic with Chrome Package, Off Road Package, 3.55 Locking axles, and Ultimate Lariat Interior Trim Package! 2017 Shelby GT350 Coupe - track car! Mods: JLT True Cold Air oil catch can 2009 Vista Blue Shelby GT 500 Coupe - Garage Queen Tinted Windows JLT True Cold Air Kit Pro-Dyno Tune 526 rwhp - 511 rwtq 1994 Rio Red Indy Pace Car #22 "Runabout" Snake in the grill MGW shift knob 1996 SVT Cobra Wheels 1969 New Lime Mustang Mach 1 Sportsroof - Second owner - bone stock with shaker. One SVT Cobra, one Shelby GT500, one 69 mach 1, and a Shelby GT350 is better than nothing! Custom Data Plates for your Mustang or Ford! Buy "Cool Merchandise" at Data Plates Plus www.dataplatesplus.com See my MSR Video here!

08-20-2007, 10:56 AM	#23
Cobra-R Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: minn-e-soda Posts: 8,868	I just called the Holiday in Express in South Haven (the host hotel), they are full the weekend of our event. If anyone finds rooms available at other South Haven Hotels, please post here, along with phone numbers. Thanks Brian __________________ Brian Groth 2006 NASA Midwest AI Champion 2005 NASA Midwest AI champion 2011 BMW M3 2010 Camaro SS 2008 Corvette Z06 2000 Cobra R #131 of 300 1995 Cobra R #23 (AV8SS and NASA AI #23) I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

08-20-2007, 12:26 PM	#24
Lumpydogs Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 517	..... __________________ Lumpydog 2001 Cobra Coupe NA Mod Motor 329 rwhp 344 rwtq www.lumpydogmotorsports.com

08-20-2007, 01:30 PM	#25
Cobra-R Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: minn-e-soda Posts: 8,868	Thanks, Jeff Anyone who is interested in running on Friday from 1pm-5pm for $60 at Gingerman, please post here. Gingerman needs a car count to see if it justifys having the track open on Friday. The steam club is coming in Friday evening, so running that night is not an option. Thanks, Brian __________________ Brian Groth 2006 NASA Midwest AI Champion 2005 NASA Midwest AI champion 2011 BMW M3 2010 Camaro SS 2008 Corvette Z06 2000 Cobra R #131 of 300 1995 Cobra R #23 (AV8SS and NASA AI #23) I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

08-20-2007, 06:12 PM	#27
Lumpydogs Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 517	..... __________________ Lumpydog 2001 Cobra Coupe NA Mod Motor 329 rwhp 344 rwtq www.lumpydogmotorsports.com

08-20-2007, 06:22 PM	#28
cobrabitn Dr Jekyll on the street, Mr Hyde on the track Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rock Hill SC Posts: 14,649	Update on the situation with the Taxi Cab. That night was a test and tune so those restrictions for the track do not apply to our event. We can have Taxi cabs if y'all want to come out and run with us. Basically, Gary told me it is our track for the weekend as it has been in the past and as long as we stay within the boundaries of our insurance, which covers non SCMC members, then our participants can run whatever car they want as long as they are safe for the track and no open wheel vs. closed wheel vehicles while out on the track. __________________ Cobrabitn 2016 Ruby Red Metallic with Caribou accent F-350 Crew Cab Stump Puller! 6.7 Diesel Automatic with Chrome Package, Off Road Package, 3.55 Locking axles, and Ultimate Lariat Interior Trim Package! 2017 Shelby GT350 Coupe - track car! Mods: JLT True Cold Air oil catch can 2009 Vista Blue Shelby GT 500 Coupe - Garage Queen Tinted Windows JLT True Cold Air Kit Pro-Dyno Tune 526 rwhp - 511 rwtq 1994 Rio Red Indy Pace Car #22 "Runabout" Snake in the grill MGW shift knob 1996 SVT Cobra Wheels 1969 New Lime Mustang Mach 1 Sportsroof - Second owner - bone stock with shaker. One SVT Cobra, one Shelby GT500, one 69 mach 1, and a Shelby GT350 is better than nothing! Custom Data Plates for your Mustang or Ford! Buy "Cool Merchandise" at Data Plates Plus www.dataplatesplus.com See my MSR Video here!

08-21-2007, 09:33 PM	#29
SVT_KY Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 24	The engine is back in Christine !!!! WOOT !!!! Now the question remains ... Do I just pay to play or do you need instructors? Cliff UPDATE: HAMPTON IS FULL FOR Saturday, but a block of rooms is opening up SEP 1st. Anyone know any other hotels? __________________ "Bone Stock" --- the block's not been opened yet! SLIGHT CORRECTION - 2007 the block was opened and 60 RWHP was added !!!

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