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Old 10-12-2004, 06:56 PM   #16
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Excellent thoughts Scott. Now give us a legal disclaimer for this section...
I'll add it to my to do list.

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Old 10-12-2004, 09:50 PM   #17
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Brett, you scare me. I'm almost believing we tend to think alike...
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Old 10-12-2004, 11:02 PM   #18
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I was just posting my opinion and response to GUMBALLS initial post, the reader can agree with me, agree with parts of my post, or write me off as an idiot.
Brett,

Do not take my post as going after you, that was not my intent and I do not think you are an idiot. I believe in common sense and personal accountability and responsibility, and I think you also feel the same way. The problem I have is with those in our society that feel nothing is ever their fault and they are always looking for a scapegoat. They are at the extreme end of the spectrum, and as you said, we should not "condemn every guy in this country that has had a short "stop light blast" to the dungeons with the murderers and rapists either." After all, if that were the case, I'd be put in that category too.

I plan on being a long time SCMC member (unless Tony kicks me out or SVT makes a killer Tbird that seats 4 so my wife will let me buy it ) and I think the club should take steps to protect itself from those that have nothing better to do than twist the law to extremes and file crazy lawsuits etc. whether or not they have any real merit. As I said, keep the section, just add a disclaimer (which I think I evidently volunteered myself for but I am willing to take a shot at it).

Have you ever seen the police show where they are chasing the car in HEAVY traffic on the CA freeway? The cop deicides to force the situation by ramming the speeder, and while the commentator brags about how great a job the cop did you watch as the car spins out and totals two other innocent vehicles in the process endangering the lives of several people in the process. Smooth move by the cop.
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Old 10-13-2004, 07:57 AM   #19
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why yes you can brett!!!
Oh no!...and Lisa comes out with the jab-jab.

And don't sweat it, it's no problem Scott.

If the end result of this wacky thread is that we get a legal disclaimer to further protect SCMC from the "blame someone else" crowd, I feel our discussion will not have been in vain.
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Old 10-16-2004, 10:55 AM   #20
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RFCobra, cobrabitn, brett:

I can not disagree with many of the points you make - especially regarding accountability.....
Like I said, I have done dumb things too, and I have lost friends in "highway games".......
The biggest difference between myself and some other people ??
I survived my "learning process".......

which makes me either more capable or luckier
(I don't know which, maybe both).......

My main point for posting this, was to try to get people to THINK of the consequences of their actions...... BEFORE ........
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Old 10-21-2004, 03:37 PM   #21
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~Also, in my younger (and DUMBER!) days, I have street raced too ~
...but did you win?





















J/K, I couldn't resist... very valid points.
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Old 10-26-2004, 02:59 PM   #22
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Old 10-26-2004, 03:44 PM   #23
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Abneriel:

That looks frightening......

Sorry, but I have to ask, what happened?

....and was anyone hurt?
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Old 10-28-2004, 05:00 PM   #24
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I only read the first page due to time constraints, but Brett...man you are hilarious!! Very well written debate.

I run my own forum also that has a Kills section... in fact it's called Ricer Bashing/Kill Stories (www.ymrforums.com)

Anyway, with legal BS aside, I'd love to see a lawyer try to sue me for the site's content. Not only does negative publicity like that work in reverse (gives more attention usually), but it would be a great example of political red tape.

Brett said everything in common sense, the kiddies are the ones usually making the headlines in ricers. The Booger Picking stories I have yet to hear.

You can't do everything in life by the book. That's not living. That's just abiding by a set of standards of which your life should follow. I'm an outside-of-the-box thinker, and enjoy doing something occassionally "Wrong". The statistics would show that street racing is not a leading cause of death if they presented them correctly. But they get manipulated to ...

"Street Racing is the #1 cause of death by teenagers from 17-20 who own foreign produced cars, have one parent, and listen to rap music".


Oh and by the way Street Racing is safer if you go outside the 5 mile barrier around your house. Since most accidents happen with 5 miles, it only makes sense.
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Old 11-08-2004, 01:05 AM   #25
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That looks frightening......

Sorry, but I have to ask, what happened?

....and was anyone hurt?
a girl had a broken foot in the other vehicle (mid 90's tercel) but that is all...other than that just cuts and bruises...that picture is testimony to what happens when stupidity and speed mix...

Years ago I was big into the street racing scene and built myself a sleeper out of a 95 GT. When I bought it, the car had TF heads and it was cammed...It also had headers and Edelbrock RPM Performer upper/lower intake manifolds and 24 lb injectors...strangely enough the original owner never added gears or a catback...I went ahead and added 3:73s along with a compucar nitrous kit and a few other goodies (flowmaster force IIs with a mac h pipe)...I raced all the time, almost every weekend I'd be up in Seattle joining the scene with about 50 other cars lining up. One day a 98 Cobra passed by and I took chase. He ended up flooring it down a two lane country road messing with me. He must've been stock because it wasn't hard to reel him in and I had to let off the gas continually to keep from hitting his rear during acceleration. On one roll I decided to pass him and unfortunately as I was passing him another car rounded the bend and we connected while I was going around 110ish and she was going 50 the other way. Needless to say the car rolled a lot. Now I am a convert to the track and don't street race anymore EVER!!!
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Old 11-08-2004, 09:38 AM   #26
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On one roll I decided to pass him and unfortunately as I was passing him another car rounded the bend and we connected while I was going around 110ish and she was going 50 the other way.
I don't wanna sound like an ass, but...

you tried to pass another car, in a blind turn, on an unfamiliar road, at 110 mph, in a car built for drag racing?

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Now I am a convert to the track and don't street race anymore EVER!!!
I think that's probably a good idea.
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Old 11-08-2004, 06:14 PM   #27
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I don't wanna sound like an ass, but...

you tried to pass another car, in a blind turn, on an unfamiliar road, at 110 mph, in a car built for drag racing?
sorry, it was late when I wrote and I was unclear. It wasn't a bend in the road...it was an area will a bunch of small hills one right after the other...Other than that it was very straight for the next couple of miles. I was very familiar with the road and it usually had very little traffic so after I went up two of the hills and didn't see anyone coming I decided to pass. I was very familiar with the road. The people I hit were actually girls and co-workers of mine on their way out to a rave. I sent them both teddy bears and an apology note and luckily they didn't sue. Yes it was stupid.
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:46 AM   #28
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Lucky......lucky.....lucky......


Thank-you for the reply Abneriel......
.....but that is the point I'm trying to make......

on a racetrack, there are fewer "surprises" that jump out at you.................
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:20 AM   #29
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I hate country roads because of not being able to pass safely.I usaully dont go fast on em unless some @sshole is riding my tail with his brites on.but you are really lucky.Really all the street racing related deaths are caused by(in my opinion) fast and the furious and all the hype the media puts on it.Now Im not saying I dont occasionally drive fast, but theres a very big difference in going fast in a car that is meant for speed and one that is meant for getting grocerys.another thing is the driving expierence, ive had my fair share of car related disasters(well very close to it)and Im confident if the car started losing control I could keep it steady and not plow into a tele pole or worse.and really its just common sense.nothing anyone hasnt heard but just thought id put in my .02 cents.
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Old 11-19-2004, 02:12 PM   #30
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Lucky......lucky.....lucky......


Thank-you for the reply Abneriel......
.....but that is the point I'm trying to make......

on a racetrack, there are fewer "surprises" that jump out at you.................
I'm in total agreement with you...just wish I didn't have to learn it the hard way.
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