whipple installed .......horrible dyno numbers

03bloodredsnake · 07-15-2006, 09:32 AM

well i finally got the whipple installed and tuned and needless to say im not impressed for all the doe i just shelled out! my numbers were 525 hp and 494 tourqe at 17 pounds.now with that said my air fuel was straight across almost perfect and my tuner basically told me thats all the car has got at that psi.bull **** i think.the reason i bought this whipple over the kenne bell is because supposedly it flows cooler and can make more power than the 2.2.i dont understand everyone else that has this setup is hitting atleast 580 at the worst with the same mods some are over 600 with the same mods.im not even close to that.what could be wrong?it is humid out but i dont think that counts for a 60 to 70 hp loss.im so pissed right now you couldnt even imagine.maybe its the tuner!so i decided to take it to a more reputable place mustang magic in new york. when i called him and told him the story he said that my car should be real close to 600 and the tuner probably didnt know wtf he was doing.i hope hes right.maybe you guys have the answers.it does hold boost so thats fine and we checked all the vacumm lines thats fine so i just dont get it!

**Firme** · 07-15-2006, 11:11 AM

Was the tuner tunning on a Mustang Dyno or a Dynojet?

Mustang Dyno's put load on the car so the number on paper are generally lower.

If I had to guess, you were tuned on a Mustang Dyno because that is around what you would get on the Mustang Dyno. All the numbers you see online for these cars are on Dynojets because A: they are more common and B: people like posting higher numbers.

For tunning though, Mustang dyno's are better because they put the car under load which is more "real world" than free spinning dynojet.

Dynojet came out with a model that puts load on the rollers now. Also, you can ask your tunner to set the Mustang dyno to no load if you want a dynopull with SAE numbers you can compare everyone else.

I hope this is the case.

03bloodredsnake · 07-15-2006, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firme

Was the tuner tunning on a Mustang Dyno or a Dynojet?

Mustang Dyno's put load on the car so the number on paper are generally lower.

If I had to guess, you were tuned on a Mustang Dyno because that is around what you would get on the Mustang Dyno. All the numbers you see online for these cars are on Dynojets because A: they are more common and B: people like posting higher numbers.

For tunning though, Mustang dyno's are better because they put the car under load which is more "real world" than free spinning dynojet.

Dynojet came out with a model that puts load on the rollers now. Also, you can ask your tunner to set the Mustang dyno to no load if you want a dynopull with SAE numbers you can compare everyone else.

I hope this is the case.

nope dynojet and they were std numbers also

03bloodredsnake · 07-15-2006, 11:38 AM

pretty pitiful huh?

**Firme** · 07-15-2006, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03bloodredsnake

nope dynojet and they were std numbers also

DOH!! sorry to hear, was hoping your dilema would be easy as that.

why not SAE corrected?

in certain weather\climate, std numbers will show lower than SAE corrected from my experience. (but then again, alot of times std is actually a higher number)

03bloodredsnake · 07-15-2006, 02:45 PM

i give up anyone wanna buy it

Eric_red94 · 07-15-2006, 04:14 PM

I'm sure you've checked all your bases, but an inlet tract restriction could cut the horsepower short. Don't give up, go to another tuner, dyno. I drive 1.5hr to Cincy to get to a decent tuner, dyno.

03slidewayzSVT · 07-15-2006, 07:26 PM

Ask your tuner how many degree of timing he added???Remember just because a person owns a dyno doesn't mean they can tune a car!!!!!Put the dyno graph on to here...We have seen with all supporting mods of course @ 17psi car made 657RWHP and 630RWTQ .......We have seen 60 to 70 RWHP with just a few degrees of timing removed......I recommend Dan Desio @ Pro-Dyno..... Check out www.PRO-DYNO.com go to the gallery and look for Insane 650+ whipple 03 red Cobra and you can see it's not BS....

10.7 @ 133 with a whole crap load of wheel spin!!!!

RR03Cobra · 07-16-2006, 11:14 AM

Definitely sounds like you got a bogus tune!! There is more to tuning than just keeping a safe air/fuel ratio! Without seeing your datalog, it's hard to tell what your other parameters were set at. You can also give Rick@ Amazon Tuning Solutions a call for more info. (864) 332-0955 He's been tuning these cars for many years and is very knowledgeable about Whipple tuning! Good Luck

BadMoFo · 07-16-2006, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RR03COBRA

Definitely sounds like you got a bogus tune!! There is more to tuning than just keeping a safe air/fuel ratio! Without seeing your datalog, it's hard to tell what your other parameters were set at. You can also give Rick@ Amazon Tuning Solutions a call for more info. (864) 332-0955 He's been tuning these cars for many years and is very knowledgeable about Whipple tuning! Good Luck

one of the best in the Nation!

InfamousSVT · 07-16-2006, 08:20 PM

What kind of tuning device was used? SCT, Diablo, etc...
What mods do you have on the car?
How long has this tuner you used been tuning these cars and are they a well known tuner?

Many different things can account for the low hp numbers, how does the car feel on the street or track? Numbers really don't mean jack sh*t honestly, though it is nice to see that you have 600 + rwhp or whatnot, but someone that can't drive a car with the fastest car in the world will lose.

Also, if the a/f is flat across the boards then you're not pegging the meter or running out of fuel so you're safe, that's a good thing.

It just maybe the way the dyno is set-up, each dyno is going to read differently then another, just like each car will respond differently to certain mods or tunes then others.

With a list of mods and the *total* timing that the car has in it, will be able to tell more about what kind of numbers you should be around.

It also never hurts to call another tuner to get a second opinion about it also.

I use Rick at ATS and on a Mustang Dyno my car made 557rwhp on 13psi with a Whipple and the basic mod list, just to give you an idea of where you should be. Running 17psi on a Dyno Jet you should be well over 600rwhp with a good tune.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

TRMN8TR · 07-16-2006, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03bloodredsnake

well i finally got the whipple installed and tuned and needless to say im not impressed for all the doe i just shelled out! my numbers were 525 hp and 494 tourqe at 17 pounds.now with that said my air fuel was straight across almost perfect and my tuner basically told me thats all the car has got at that psi.bull **** i think.the reason i bought this whipple over the kenne bell is because supposedly it flows cooler and can make more power than the 2.2.i dont understand everyone else that has this setup is hitting atleast 580 at the worst with the same mods some are over 600 with the same mods.im not even close to that.what could be wrong?it is humid out but i dont think that counts for a 60 to 70 hp loss.im so pissed right now you couldnt even imagine.maybe its the tuner!so i decided to take it to a more reputable place mustang magic in new york. when i called him and told him the story he said that my car should be real close to 600 and the tuner probably didnt know wtf he was doing.i hope hes right.maybe you guys have the answers.it does hold boost so thats fine and we checked all the vacumm lines thats fine so i just dont get it!

I'm assuming that you added ALL the supporting mods? Fuel injectors, MAF, BAP, plugs, etc...........
As asked above, who is the tuner? You should be seeing upwards of 585RWHP with the proper setup.

03bloodredsnake · 07-17-2006, 07:58 AM

ive got all of that 60lbs, focus pumps, 2400 mass air, tr 6's, all the cooling mods catback xpipe, jlt.well ive got an appointment with mustang magic in new york next week so well have to see if it is the tuner.when i was there tuning my car they have a cobra of there own that supossedly makes 640 to the wheels at 25 psi with the kenne bell.the guy who runs the place was acting as if my expectations of what the car should have was to much.he has the old kennebell and has had lots of problems with it.he also then tells me that i cant run pump gas at 17 psi.......i just laughed and thought to myself what a joker.then he tells me look my car has over 200 passes on the dyno to get it there..... yours doesnt.and im like what the f are you talking about if you knew how to tune... it would onley need a couple of passes and to go out onto the street also.maybe im wrong i dont know but i dropped alot of cash just to be at 525 hp if i wanted that i should have just ported the blower.oh yeah one more thing the guy acted like the new whipple was inferior to the 2.2 kennebell and would not produce such high numbers.

03bloodredsnake · 07-17-2006, 08:02 AM

ive been using the place for a while and have had no problems up to this point.my car always ran very strong when racing other cobras that were tuned by jdm and the likes it always won.i dont get it?but then again the place that i go to is not a household name and they do it on the side of there other buisness so maybe thats the problem. has anyone ever heard of mustng magic? i know ive seen tham a couple of times in mmff.

03bloodredsnake · 07-17-2006, 08:06 AM

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!im fine i really am guys dont worry about me!

07-15-2006, 09:32 AM	#1
03bloodredsnake Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bethlehem pa Posts: 50	whipple installed .......horrible dyno numbers well i finally got the whipple installed and tuned and needless to say im not impressed for all the doe i just shelled out! my numbers were 525 hp and 494 tourqe at 17 pounds.now with that said my air fuel was straight across almost perfect and my tuner basically told me thats all the car has got at that psi.bull ** i think.the reason i bought this whipple over the kenne bell is because supposedly it flows cooler and can make more power than the 2.2.i dont understand everyone else that has this setup is hitting atleast 580 at the worst with the same mods some are over 600 with the same mods.im not even close to that.what could be wrong?it is humid out but i dont think that counts for a 60 to 70 hp loss.im so pissed right now you couldnt even imagine.maybe its the tuner!so i decided to take it to a more reputable place mustang magic in new york. when i called him and told him the story he said that my car should be real close to 600 and the tuner probably didnt know wtf he was doing.i hope hes right.maybe you guys have the answers.it does hold boost so thats fine and we checked all the vacumm lines thats fine so i just dont get it! __________________ 2003 svt cobra /redfire whippled terminator,** lfp radiator,heat exchanger,coolant box,17lbs boost 604 hp 564 tourqeblack fr 500 wheels 18x9 up front and big meats in the back 18x10 wearing 295 bfgs.full mgw interior,steeda full lenth subframes,steeda irs bushings,steeda diff brace,slp loudmouth exhast and catted x pipe,mgw short throw shifter,accufab throttle body, best e.t 11.57@121 1.666 60ft

07-15-2006, 11:38 AM	#4
03bloodredsnake Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bethlehem pa Posts: 50	pretty pitiful huh? __________________ 2003 svt cobra /redfire whippled terminator, lfp radiator,heat exchanger,coolant box,17lbs boost 604 hp 564 tourqeblack fr 500 wheels 18x9 up front and big meats in the back 18x10 wearing 295 bfgs.full mgw interior,steeda full lenth subframes,steeda irs bushings,steeda diff brace,slp loudmouth exhast and catted x pipe,mgw short throw shifter,accufab throttle body, best e.t 11.57@121 1.666 60ft

07-15-2006, 02:45 PM	#6
03bloodredsnake Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bethlehem pa Posts: 50	i give up anyone wanna buy it __________________ 2003 svt cobra /redfire whippled terminator, lfp radiator,heat exchanger,coolant box,17lbs boost 604 hp 564 tourqeblack fr 500 wheels 18x9 up front and big meats in the back 18x10 wearing 295 bfgs.full mgw interior,steeda full lenth subframes,steeda irs bushings,steeda diff brace,slp loudmouth exhast and catted x pipe,mgw short throw shifter,accufab throttle body, best e.t 11.57@121 1.666 60ft

07-15-2006, 04:14 PM	#7
Eric_red94 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Whiteland, IN Posts: 47	just a guess I'm sure you've checked all your bases, but an inlet tract restriction could cut the horsepower short. Don't give up, go to another tuner, dyno. I drive 1.5hr to Cincy to get to a decent tuner, dyno.

07-15-2006, 07:26 PM	#8
03slidewayzSVT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kannapolis, NC Posts: 475	Ask your tuner how many degree of timing he added???Remember just because a person owns a dyno doesn't mean they can tune a car!!!!!Put the dyno graph on to here...We have seen with all supporting mods of course @ 17psi car made 657RWHP and 630RWTQ .......We have seen 60 to 70 RWHP with just a few degrees of timing removed......I recommend Dan Desio @ Pro-Dyno..... Check out www.PRO-DYNO.com go to the gallery and look for Insane 650+ whipple 03 red Cobra and you can see it's not BS.... 10.7 @ 133 with a whole crap load of wheel spin!!!! __________________

07-16-2006, 11:14 AM	#9
RR03Cobra Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: S.C. Posts: 132	tune Definitely sounds like you got a bogus tune!! There is more to tuning than just keeping a safe air/fuel ratio! Without seeing your datalog, it's hard to tell what your other parameters were set at. You can also give Rick@ Amazon Tuning Solutions a call for more info. (864) 332-0955 He's been tuning these cars for many years and is very knowledgeable about Whipple tuning! Good Luck __________________

07-16-2006, 08:20 PM	#11
InfamousSVT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Gastonia, NC Posts: 1,960	What kind of tuning device was used? SCT, Diablo, etc... What mods do you have on the car? How long has this tuner you used been tuning these cars and are they a well known tuner? Many different things can account for the low hp numbers, how does the car feel on the street or track? Numbers really don't mean jack sht honestly, though it is nice to see that you have 600 + rwhp or whatnot, but someone that can't drive a car with the fastest car in the world will lose. Also, if the a/f is flat across the boards then you're not pegging the meter or running out of fuel so you're safe, that's a good thing. It just maybe the way the dyno is set-up, each dyno is going to read differently then another, just like each car will respond differently to certain mods or tunes then others. With a list of mods and the total* timing that the car has in it, will be able to tell more about what kind of numbers you should be around. It also never hurts to call another tuner to get a second opinion about it also. I use Rick at ATS and on a Mustang Dyno my car made 557rwhp on 13psi with a Whipple and the basic mod list, just to give you an idea of where you should be. Running 17psi on a Dyno Jet you should be well over 600rwhp with a good tune. Good luck and let us know how it turns out. __________________ 1994 Black on Black SVT Coupe 2004 SVT Cobra Competition Orange - SOLD 1979 Ghia Coupe - SOLD 1994 Chevy S-10 - DailyDriver

07-17-2006, 07:58 AM	#13
03bloodredsnake Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bethlehem pa Posts: 50	ive got all of that 60lbs, focus pumps, 2400 mass air, tr 6's, all the cooling mods catback xpipe, jlt.well ive got an appointment with mustang magic in new york next week so well have to see if it is the tuner.when i was there tuning my car they have a cobra of there own that supossedly makes 640 to the wheels at 25 psi with the kenne bell.the guy who runs the place was acting as if my expectations of what the car should have was to much.he has the old kennebell and has had lots of problems with it.he also then tells me that i cant run pump gas at 17 psi.......i just laughed and thought to myself what a joker.then he tells me look my car has over 200 passes on the dyno to get it there..... yours doesnt.and im like what the f are you talking about if you knew how to tune... it would onley need a couple of passes and to go out onto the street also.maybe im wrong i dont know but i dropped alot of cash just to be at 525 hp if i wanted that i should have just ported the blower.oh yeah one more thing the guy acted like the new whipple was inferior to the 2.2 kennebell and would not produce such high numbers. __________________ 2003 svt cobra /redfire whippled terminator, lfp radiator,heat exchanger,coolant box,17lbs boost 604 hp 564 tourqeblack fr 500 wheels 18x9 up front and big meats in the back 18x10 wearing 295 bfgs.full mgw interior,steeda full lenth subframes,steeda irs bushings,steeda diff brace,slp loudmouth exhast and catted x pipe,mgw short throw shifter,accufab throttle body, best e.t 11.57@121 1.666 60ft

07-17-2006, 08:02 AM	#14
03bloodredsnake Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bethlehem pa Posts: 50	ive been using the place for a while and have had no problems up to this point.my car always ran very strong when racing other cobras that were tuned by jdm and the likes it always won.i dont get it?but then again the place that i go to is not a household name and they do it on the side of there other buisness so maybe thats the problem. has anyone ever heard of mustng magic? i know ive seen tham a couple of times in mmff. __________________ 2003 svt cobra /redfire whippled terminator, lfp radiator,heat exchanger,coolant box,17lbs boost 604 hp 564 tourqeblack fr 500 wheels 18x9 up front and big meats in the back 18x10 wearing 295 bfgs.full mgw interior,steeda full lenth subframes,steeda irs bushings,steeda diff brace,slp loudmouth exhast and catted x pipe,mgw short throw shifter,accufab throttle body, best e.t 11.57@121 1.666 60ft

07-17-2006, 08:06 AM	#15
03bloodredsnake Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: bethlehem pa Posts: 50	wwwwwwwwwwwwtttttttttttttttttttttfffffffffffffffffffffffffff !im fine i really am guys dont worry about me! __________________ 2003 svt cobra /redfire whippled terminator, lfp radiator,heat exchanger,coolant box,17lbs boost 604 hp 564 tourqeblack fr 500 wheels 18x9 up front and big meats in the back 18x10 wearing 295 bfgs.full mgw interior,steeda full lenth subframes,steeda irs bushings,steeda diff brace,slp loudmouth exhast and catted x pipe,mgw short throw shifter,accufab throttle body, best e.t 11.57@121 1.666 60ft

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