Speedtrial VIR December - Cancelled

[Phat-S]

Whoa! Someone snuck an exhaust on my car? Need to put some Mad Max boobie traps on the thing to keep that from happening again ;-)

If you can believe this Shugg, the LR at VIR Full for an ITA car is in the 19s. Who knows, maybe next year we can get my car down a few more seconds - shortened race shocks, the race motor and a tailwind and a lot of luck (hey I can dream right?). What are you guys thinking are going to be some fast Toyo times up there?

[98banana]

Stupid question time... what's an ITA car?

[Phat-S]

ITA car would be like mine (Improved Touring "A"). Like:

Honda CRX Si (88-91)
Honda Civic Si (89-91)
Mazda Miata (90-93)
Nissan 240sx (89-90?)
Mazda RX-7 (78-85)
Mazda RX-3/4 (72-78)

Typically around 1.6 to 1.8 L displacement (the 240 is maybe obviously a 2.4 - usually a larger displacement carries more weight). We're not the real real fast guys (ITE - catch-all class) or the real fast guys (ITS - 2nd gen RX-7s, BMW 3 series, 944s).

Prep rules for IT are kinda limited. Overbore limited to .40 (my current motor has a stock bottom end with Sunbelt head - great builders from everything I've heard, my spare is .20 over - that's the faster one of mine afaik but I've never run it), no cams, not sure if you can lighten flywheel, must run dash, must meet minimum weight (mine is 2140 lbs), must retain lights/wipers/wiper bottle/rear wiper (if it came with it)/roll cage cannot go through firewall/stuff like that. From what I was told, I am putting down a stump pulling 108 WHP - the .40 motors on my car I think can be in the 120-130 WHP range - thats just from my understanding).

[svt_coupe]

Originally posted by Phat-S
What are you guys thinking are going to be some fast Toyo times up there?

Well, here's what I'm thinking. 2:18.xx with a crappy diff and heavy car. If the diff was worth 2+ seconds at CMP, I'm thinking the same at VIR. That would mean around 2:15-2:16. That's pretty realistic I think. I'm sure others will probably go even faster than that (Banana already hit 2:15's, but that was with Hoosiers... but that was only his 7th or 8th track event... so who knows...)

[98banana]

Originally posted by svt_coupe


Well, here's what I'm thinking. 2:18.xx with a crappy diff and heavy car. If the diff was worth 2+ seconds at CMP, I'm thinking the same at VIR. That would mean around 2:15-2:16. That's pretty realistic I think. I'm sure others will probably go even faster than that (Banana already hit 2:15's, but that was with Hoosiers... but that was only his 7th or 8th track event... so who knows...)

The weight change on mine is what got me from 2:18 to 2:15. And maybe a little experience, but most came from the weight loss.

I'm real curious to see what the 3.73's do for me at that track. Is there any VIR Full course events coming up soon?

And Adam, thanks for the info! I always see those letters used, but never knew the deal...

[COBRA #17]

Damn dude what are you running now? I don't understand everybodys fasination with low gears I 'm not telling anybody what gears I'm running. I just don't see an advantage in the LOW gear deal? You can't get that much traction out of the turns to use the lower gear pull, plus you run out of top end too fast!You also have shorter pull between gears too. I could see it if you were running a 6 speed , but I have heard real bad things about trying to race the 6 speed.
Adam? So you guys aren't going to be at Summit? (Honda Chalenge)

Cooking my lunch HUH!!! I'll remember that !!!!!!
( Damn cityslickers !:cussing: )

[98banana]

Originally posted by COBRA #17
Damn dude what are you running now? I don't understand everybodys fasination with low gears I 'm not telling anybody what gears I'm running. I just don't see an advantage in the LOW gear deal? You can't get that much traction out of the turns to use the lower gear pull, plus you run out of top end too fast!You also have shorter pull between gears too. I could see it if you were running a 6 speed , but I have heard real bad things about trying to race the 6 speed.
Adam? So you guys aren't going to be at Summit? (Honda Chalenge)

Cooking my lunch HUH!!! I'll remember that !!!!!!
( Damn cityslickers !:cussing: )

You gotta keep in mind that the 4v 4.6 is WEAK below 3500K. All my power is at 4k - 7k. I had the 4.10 gears and they worked great, but that maxed me out at 128 in 4th. With the 3.73's I max much higher speed at 14? while still keeping some power out of the turns. I'm still at stock power, which ain't too bad, but like I said, it needs 3.73+ to get out of the slow rpm range.

Now, if I had some bottom end grunt, then yeah, the stock 3.27 would do fine.

I wouldn't want a 6-speed either, but I would like to have the 1-5 part of it. My 5th gear right now is pretty much useless. It just won't pull with the .64(?) gear in it.

[Phat-S]

You guys trip me out. 14x MPH. Shoot, my 4.73 allows me to redline 5th at 130 MPH. I won't know what to do over 125 at Lowes :-) You guys have video of what a track looks like at that speed?

[redsnake99]

My stock 3.27's put me at over 140 in 4th at VIR full track, straight after Oak Tree. Ran over 130 a couple weeks ago on South course straight.

No inkling to change gearing for me.

[98banana]

My first time (out of touring group) at Road Atlanta, I was hitting the rev-limitter at 128 in 4th with 4.10's. The last time out, I was hitting high 130's and never saw the rev-limitter with the 3.73's.

I'm going back to Road Atlanta this Sunday, so I'll try and get some in-car video at 140+.

Dave, I don't have a SC, so 3.27's would slow me down bad! And, you would be amazed what a set of 3.73's would do for your car coming out of the corners.

[97whitevert]

Originally posted by 98banana
My first time (out of touring group) at Road Atlanta, I was hitting the rev-limitter at 128 in 4th with 4.10's. The last time out, I was hitting high 130's and never saw the rev-limitter with the 3.73's.

I'm going back to Road Atlanta this Sunday, so I'll try and get some in-car video at 140+.

Dave, I don't have a SC, so 3.27's would slow me down bad! And, you would be amazed what a set of 3.73's would do for your car coming out of the corners.

WHOA!! going back to atlanta!!! way cool tom!

[98banana]

It's a sickness!!! And I've got it bad!!!

[Phat-S]

You'll be cured soon enough Tom. The whole HPDE-slut mentality went bye-bye for me after my first race weekend. Now I have thoughts like "hmmm, I can make it through the race if I do 4 practice laps and no more than 6 qualifying laps." Open track fun is awesome but it seems like using tires and brakes I can ill afford right now.

Priorities got all whacked

I've done half the miles at twice the cost and had 10 times the adrenaline rush since January as compared to last year this time. And no, that isn't a complaint

[98banana]

Originally posted by Phat-S
You'll be cured soon enough Tom. The whole HPDE-slut mentality went bye-bye for me after my first race weekend. Now I have thoughts like "hmmm, I can make it through the race if I do 4 practice laps and no more than 6 qualifying laps." Open track fun is awesome but it seems like using tires and brakes I can ill afford right now.

Priorities got all whacked

I've done half the miles at twice the cost and had 10 times the adrenaline rush since January as compared to last year this time. And no, that isn't a complaint

I'm actually hoping that will happen after the first race. I have a feeling that passing with a signal won't be much fun after I pass Shugg and everybody without a signal.

[svt_coupe]

Originally posted by 98banana
I'm actually hoping that will happen after the first race. I have a feeling that passing with a signal won't be much fun after I pass Shugg and everybody without a signal.

You know, passing after the checkered flag really isn't a good idea. Remember, you're gonna have to do a lot more than wax your Banana to pass me.