Our rookie hero... - Page 2

rshelbygt · 04-11-2003, 01:48 PM

My basic understanding (and it is just that...basic) of the benefits of coilovers is it allows you to increase the effective wheel rate without running a high spring rate (and compromising ride quality). In order to get a high wheel rate with the "stock" setup...you have to run a very high rate spring (900-1000#) which pretty much makes the car ride very rough. With coilovers you can have excellent handling and a nice ride. The adjustablilty is also a huge benefit -as Tom said.

I really think some of the experienced guys could explain this better (Shugg???, Adam???, others?). Bottom line is...if you want to fix the problem with the stock Mustang front suspension...coilovers are a move in the right direction. Of course you might as well spring for the K-member, control arms, bumpsteer kit, torque arm, panhard bar, etc. while you're at it.

He He He.......

I plan on doing the "band aid" approach with used parts until I can afford to do it the right way **cough...Maximum Motorsports...cough** (had to throw that in there, Tom).

2KWhiteSnake · 04-11-2003, 02:47 PM

Ok... I talked to Chris at MM.
Here's what we came up with...

Front: Bilstein Race Valve struts with 425lb springs $369

Rear: Bilstein Cobra R shocks with 650lb rear springs $429

IRS bushings $50, C/C $199, and their basic Subframes $119.

He said that should get me started in a big way. Now I need to talk to the wife

Guess I'll just skip the new seats for a while and go for this stuff and the cage. I can always use the harness with my stock 01 seats. They aren't too bad I don't think.

How does that setup sound to you guys?

Craig

SIUNARA · 04-11-2003, 03:32 PM

Looks like you made the "RIGHT CALL" Craig!! Maximum will hook you up!!

Since your in the spending mood, just get the k-member to go along with the front coilovers...and swap the IRS for a TA/PHB setup!!!

Don't let Jason fool you, he'll be running like 20 track events this year...if I had his money, I'd burn mine!!!

johnbasf · 04-11-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by COBRA #17

I'm still glad you got that rear view mirror!
BUDDY !!!!

AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

Hoover you bite.

**97whitevert** · 04-11-2003, 04:07 PM

Ahhh John-- you ARE my hero!!!

rshelbygt · 04-11-2003, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIUNARA
Don't let Jason fool you, he'll be running like 20 track events this year...if I had his money, I'd burn mine!!!

Don, You must have bumped your head! That's the funniest thing I've read in a while!!

Craig...you better step up to some 17X9 wheels with 275/40/17 tires while your at it. How much for your Kumho MX's???

johnbasf · 04-11-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIUNARA
Looks like you made the "RIGHT CALL" Craig!! Maximum will hook you up!! Since your in the spending mood, just get the k-member to go along with the front coilovers...and swap the IRS for a TA/PHB setup!!!

Don't let Jason fool you, he'll be running like 20 track events this year...if I had his money, I'd burn mine!!!

He and Shugg must be getting REAL TIGHT with me out of the way. Jason please tell me you don't have a pair of cordaroy pants.

2KWhiteSnake · 04-11-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rshelbygt
Don, You must have bumped your head! That's the funniest thing I've read in a while!!

Craig...you better step up to some 17X9 wheels with 275/40/17 tires while your at it. How much for your Kumho MX's???

You running 17x8's Jason? I'm scared to ask the wife for the MM stuff, let alone some new wheels and tires. I WILL buy the Kumho's again though(for a few more events, then some stickies). They haven't failed me yet. I'll let you know if I'm gonna part with them. Let me check out some wheel pricing online. I think some 17x9 2KR's would be fitting don't ya think?

OMG!!! This is such a sickness!!! How did I let you people get me into this?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Craig

rshelbygt · 04-11-2003, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by johnbasf
He and Shugg must be getting REAL TIGHT with me out of the way. Jason please tell me you don't have a pair of cordaroy pants.

?????????????

??????????????

Uhhhhhh....what's the deal w/ all the mention of cordaroy pants??? What is the story?????? Fill us in!!!!!! It sounds like a good one!

SIUNARA · 04-11-2003, 08:16 PM

I agree with Jay, this sounds like a good story...fill us in please.

COBRA #17 · 04-11-2003, 08:57 PM

I can't believe these Yankee imports can't figure this one out !!!

They all have corduroy's in the closet!!!

All these questions about suspension and set ups, you guys have one of the best suspension guys around right in your back door. Don Rositch at www.mustangdon.com
He raced for Griggs out west for several years and worked in the shop for alot longer!!! He changed my car 100% last year after setting it up. Coil overs basicly pull a ton of weight off of the front end and drop the spring rate by combining it with the strut. But remember one very important fact!!! You have to have a VERY GOOD SET OF CASTER CAMBER PLATES to run coil overs. You put a ton of stress on the strut towers with the coil overs!!! I bent a set of MM plates last spring and if they had broke I would have had a MESS!!!!

John, SORRY buddy I couldn't resist!!!

AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

98banana · 04-11-2003, 09:08 PM

Craig, when I went to coil-overs I did it at the same time as the Griggs stuff. Huge difference, but I have no idea what part made what difference. If MM told you that's the way to start, then that's the way to start. They know there stuff.

And yes, this is a sickness. I just got back from picking up the new ride (thanks Jim). On the way there, I called Griggs and ordered some more stuff:

World Challenge Rear LCA's
Panhard Bracket

That goes with what should be here next week, which is:

World Challenge Frame Kit
Torque Arm Bracket

And, the Metal Supermarket delivered this today:
96' 1.75 X .120 DOM tubing
10' 1.00 X .095 DOM tubing
4' 2 X 2 square tubing

So, let the fun begin...

98banana · 04-11-2003, 09:10 PM

Hey Hoov, are you still running MM plates? If Griggs will allow me to run MM plates and still be eligible to get the contingency money WHEN (not if) I win the points, then I'll do that.

Both Griggs and MM make plates plenty strong enough for coil-overs, but the MM seem to have more adjustability.

rshelbygt · 04-11-2003, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by COBRA #17
I can't believe these Yankee imports can't figure this one out !!!

They all have corduroy's in the closet!!!

AI EAST Asst Director
COBRA #17

Are you all just talking about the fact that Shugg seems to live in his couderoys.......or is there more to it????????????

johnbasf · 04-11-2003, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rshelbygt
Are you all just talking about the fact that Shugg seems to live in his couderoys.......or is there more to it????????????

I will let Mr. Hoover answer.

04-11-2003, 03:32 PM	#18
SIUNARA Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: State College, Pa. Posts: 374	Looks like you made the "RIGHT CALL" Craig!! Maximum will hook you up!! Since your in the spending mood, just get the k-member to go along with the front coilovers...and swap the IRS for a TA/PHB setup!!! Don't let Jason fool you, he'll be running like 20 track events this year...if I had his money, I'd burn mine!!! __________________ Don Page 95 Cobra

04-11-2003, 04:07 PM	#20
97whitevert well, maybe.... Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: anywhere, everywhere....NC Posts: 11,730	Ahhh John-- you ARE my hero!!! __________________ Lisa 97 white convertible #99 Born on 1/28/97 03 sonic blue coupe #323 Born on 6/4/02 86 SVO Mustang track beast- The older brother of the SVT ! 99 green BAT 95 laser red F150 06 sonic blue Escape "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." -- Mahatma Gandhi

04-11-2003, 08:16 PM	#25
SIUNARA Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: State College, Pa. Posts: 374	I agree with Jay, this sounds like a good story...fill us in please. __________________ Don Page 95 Cobra

04-11-2003, 08:57 PM	#26
COBRA #17 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hot Springs VA Posts: 127	JOHN THIS IS TOO MUCH FUN !!!! I can't believe these Yankee imports can't figure this one out !!! They all have corduroy's in the closet!!! All these questions about suspension and set ups, you guys have one of the best suspension guys around right in your back door. Don Rositch at www.mustangdon.com He raced for Griggs out west for several years and worked in the shop for alot longer!!! He changed my car 100% last year after setting it up. Coil overs basicly pull a ton of weight off of the front end and drop the spring rate by combining it with the strut. But remember one very important fact!!! You have to have a VERY GOOD SET OF CASTER CAMBER PLATES to run coil overs. You put a ton of stress on the strut towers with the coil overs!!! I bent a set of MM plates last spring and if they had broke I would have had a MESS!!!! John, SORRY buddy I couldn't resist!!! AI EAST Asst Director COBRA #17

04-11-2003, 09:08 PM	#27
98banana Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: North, SC Posts: 1,789	Craig, when I went to coil-overs I did it at the same time as the Griggs stuff. Huge difference, but I have no idea what part made what difference. If MM told you that's the way to start, then that's the way to start. They know there stuff. And yes, this is a sickness. I just got back from picking up the new ride (thanks Jim). On the way there, I called Griggs and ordered some more stuff: World Challenge Rear LCA's Panhard Bracket That goes with what should be here next week, which is: World Challenge Frame Kit Torque Arm Bracket And, the Metal Supermarket delivered this today: 96' 1.75 X .120 DOM tubing 10' 1.00 X .095 DOM tubing 4' 2 X 2 square tubing So, let the fun begin... __________________ Tom Lewis Nothing fun to drive...

04-11-2003, 01:48 PM	#16
rshelbygt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 108	My basic understanding (and it is just that...basic) of the benefits of coilovers is it allows you to increase the effective wheel rate without running a high spring rate (and compromising ride quality). In order to get a high wheel rate with the "stock" setup...you have to run a very high rate spring (900-1000#) which pretty much makes the car ride very rough. With coilovers you can have excellent handling and a nice ride. The adjustablilty is also a huge benefit -as Tom said. I really think some of the experienced guys could explain this better (Shugg???, Adam???, others?). Bottom line is...if you want to fix the problem with the stock Mustang front suspension...coilovers are a move in the right direction. Of course you might as well spring for the K-member, control arms, bumpsteer kit, torque arm, panhard bar, etc. while you're at it. He He He....... I plan on doing the "band aid" approach with used parts until I can afford to do it the right way cough...Maximum Motorsports...cough (had to throw that in there, Tom).

04-11-2003, 02:47 PM	#17
2KWhiteSnake Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Lancaster, SC Posts: 588	Ok... I talked to Chris at MM. Here's what we came up with... Front: Bilstein Race Valve struts with 425lb springs $369 Rear: Bilstein Cobra R shocks with 650lb rear springs $429 IRS bushings $50, C/C $199, and their basic Subframes $119. He said that should get me started in a big way. Now I need to talk to the wife Guess I'll just skip the new seats for a while and go for this stuff and the cage. I can always use the harness with my stock 01 seats. They aren't too bad I don't think. How does that setup sound to you guys? Craig __________________ 2001 White Cobra Coupe 406RWHP/365tq with less than 5 miles on motor/ALL N/A!!! 5.0 Big Bore block by Modular Performance Engine built by Lester Lesneski at Performance Auto. FR500 Intake and Cams Every part Maximum Motorsports has to offer Setup/custom IRS changes by Lester Lesneski at Performance Automotive Banana Motorsports 4 Pt Cage and Subs 2008 Audi RS4 Daily Driver 420 HP N/A V8 with Quattro http://www.cbslimited.com/rs4.php

04-11-2003, 09:10 PM	#28
98banana Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: North, SC Posts: 1,789	Re: JOHN THIS IS TOO MUCH FUN !!!! Hey Hoov, are you still running MM plates? If Griggs will allow me to run MM plates and still be eligible to get the contingency money WHEN (not if) I win the points, then I'll do that. Both Griggs and MM make plates plenty strong enough for coil-overs, but the MM seem to have more adjustability. __________________ Tom Lewis Nothing fun to drive...

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