So you want a new 2007 GT 500????

[bbrence]

Save your money......in my humble opinion. See the July issue of "Car and Driver". I quote, "In the end, we wish the GT 500 had more horses to go with it's lofty price. The last [2003-2004] SVT Cobra only cost $35,000......AND WAS JUST AS QUICK!!!! This thing will not beat a stock C6 Corvette in a drag race......it would be hopelessly outclassed in a road race. And if you manage to avoid humiliation from a C6........there is always a Z06 waiting at the next stoplight. Save your money........take care of your 03/04 SVT Cobra. The GT 500 is a "Shelby" in name only. Ford needs to go back to the drawing board and find a way to chop off about 300 pounds.....plus engineer the aluminum block for the motor. I disagree with Car and Driver. The car doesn't need more horsepower, it needs less weight and better weight distribution. I'll gladly keep my 2004 with IRS.

[redsnake99]

I'm getting ready to tell my dealer to insert his Shelby GT500 price where the sun don't shine. If anyone else wants a Tungsten coupe with the interior upgrade, here's how you can get one:

Sticker is $43,500
My deposit was $5000
Dealer "stick it to the buyer" additional cost is $20,000
something for my trouble and years of anticipaiton is $5000

Total amount to send me ASAP is $ $73,500. I'll then take delivery and sign the car over to you. Got to do this quickly before I lose my place in line (#2 at Capital Ford in Raleigh).

Anticipated delivery is Mid-October.

[nckissfan]

ouch

[tomsgarage]

John Colletti wrote an article in the SVT Magazine a few years ago talking about the "Horsepower Wars" that were developing between Ford, GM and Chrysler. His answer to how much horsepower Ford was working on for the next generation Cobra was not about the horsepower, but how to get the weight out of the cars. His thinking being that once you get over 500 Horsepower in a production car that anyone can buy, you start to draw the attention of the Insurance Companies, Safety Experts and the Federal Government!

Of course he is no longer with Ford, and we all know about the weight issues on the new Shelby!

Anyone remember 1971?

I'm keeping my 2003 Cobra for as long as I can!

[Firme]

Originally Posted by tomsgarage

John Colletti wrote...

He was SVT IMHO.. now its a marketing stradegy. Hopefully they will wisen up and follow the path Colletti started down.

[ProfChaos]

Originally Posted by tomsgarage

John Colletti wrote an article in the SVT Magazine a few years ago talking about the "Horsepower Wars" that were developing between Ford, GM and Chrysler. His answer to how much horsepower Ford was working on for the next generation Cobra was not about the horsepower, but how to get the weight out of the cars. His thinking being that once you get over 500 Horsepower in a production car that anyone can buy, you start to draw the attention of the Insurance Companies, Safety Experts and the Federal Government!

Of course he is no longer with Ford, and we all know about the weight issues on the new Shelby!

Anyone remember 1971?

I'm keeping my 2003 Cobra for as long as I can!

Does anyone happen to have handy the weight-gain factor from the first 4.6 L Modular Cobra to the 5.4 L GT-500, and how much of that weight might be attributable to the 5.4 L engine versus the 4.6 L?

My Florida title for the '96 Cobra coupe lists the estimated weight at 3401 lbs. (I think that includes all fluids and a full tank of gasoline).

cheers,
--Professor Chaos

[ausie]

Originally Posted by ProfChaos

Does anyone happen to have handy the weight-gain factor from the first 4.6 L Modular Cobra to the 5.4 L GT-500, and how much of that weight might be attributable to the 5.4 L engine versus the 4.6 L?

My Florida title for the '96 Cobra coupe lists the estimated weight at 3401 lbs. (I think that includes all fluids and a full tank of gasoline).

cheers,
--Professor Chaos

I believe the dry weights for the 99/01 was 3430lbs (3560lbs convertable). It was not until the 03/04 model year that the Cobra got fat with 3665lbs (210lbs in iron and some in the rear end for the mods to the IRS cradle.) As for the GT500, the coupe weighs in at 3920lbs (convertable 4040lbs) which is only a 255lb increase from the 03/04 model. Some of the increase in weight is from the body and not much is added from the weight of the motor. If you add in the wight of the IRS assembly, increase total weight by Not sure what the first 4.6L Cobra weighed in at. The door jam on my Cobra lists Gross Vehicle Curb Weight at 4450lbs. I would assume that means full tank of gas and 700lbs of people+ luggage in the vehicle which is the maximum payload of 785lbs.

In comparisson (using conservative SAE #'s) the GT-500 (500hp)has 7.84lb/Hp, 03/04 Cobra (390) is 9.39lb/hp [reality will prove differently assuming that the 03/04 produces closer to 420hp the number drops to 6.88lb/hp], and the 2001 Cobra (320hp) has 10.71lb/hp.

[beerkat]

The last time Ford stuck a truck motor (5.4) in a Mustang they called it the Cobra R.Yes I know that there are some differences between the engine in the GT500 and my Lightning but not that much.

Our local dealer is asking $63,000 and change for a GT500. For $64,000 and change I have my '01 Lightning and my '03 Cobra. Two is better than one.

[ProfChaos]

Originally Posted by bbrence

Save your money......in my humble opinion. See the July issue of "Car and Driver". I quote, "In the end, we wish the GT 500 had more horses to go with it's lofty price. The last [2003-2004] SVT Cobra only cost $35,000......AND WAS JUST AS QUICK!!!! This thing will not beat a stock C6 Corvette in a drag race......it would be hopelessly outclassed in a road race. And if you manage to avoid humiliation from a C6........there is always a Z06 waiting at the next stoplight. Save your money........take care of your 03/04 SVT Cobra. The GT 500 is a "Shelby" in name only. Ford needs to go back to the drawing board and find a way to chop off about 300 pounds.....plus engineer the aluminum block for the motor. I disagree with Car and Driver. The car doesn't need more horsepower, it needs less weight and better weight distribution. I'll gladly keep my 2004 with IRS.

With all the bells and whistles + gas-guzzler tax, the car should sell for $44,760 (before state sales tax, which can sometimes be bypassed). That includes Sirius radio package and 1000 Watt "Shaker" Audiophile System. The dealers who are gouging people who do not want to wait a little while for a customer-ordered GT500 to come in at MSRP---well, you know that some dealerships are not that far removed from that shifty guy who buys junk at the auto auction and then preys upon the unsuspecting. ...It wasn't too many months back that the same scoundrels were gouging people on 2005 Mustang GT's--which are now (2006 GT's) selling below MSRP in some cases.

I was told by a dealership several months back that I might have to wait for a few months for the Shelby to come in, but they would agree in principle to sell me one at MSRP. (The guy even wanted to write the order form, without a deposit, because he was confident that the car would move even if I backed out of the deal.) He also made note that at that price they would still be making about $6-9K on the deal. Why should we fall prey to "spiritual morons" who see others as a means to an end? I would just wait a little while for the feeding frenzy to end, or I would just call dealership-after-dealership, until I found a dealership on the up-and-up.

cheers,
--Professor Chaos

[99SVT3753]

Originally Posted by beerkat

The last time Ford stuck a truck motor (5.4) in a Mustang they called it the Cobra R.Yes I know that there are some differences between the engine in the GT500 and my Lightning but not that much.

Our local dealer is asking $63,000 and change for a GT500. For $64,000 and change I have my '01 Lightning and my '03 Cobra. Two is better than one.

Agrees!

If I got the new GT500 - I'd order it without the engine or warranty cuz I can build the same engine and still save over $20,000!

[flynfink]

Originally Posted by 99SVT3753

Agrees!

If I got the new GT500 - I'd order it without the engine or warranty cuz I can build the same engine and still save over $20,000!

True, but ya better build two motors, cause there's no warranty