AI has hit a wall !! HELP !!!!

COBRA #17 · 11-21-2002, 12:34 AM

Well guys I had a very interesting talk with Dan S. tonight!!! It doesn't look good !!! We all need to get together and get a game plan for this year or we not have any AI to run in !!!

We will be stuck in BIG BORE FOREVER !!!

He had an hour and 45 min talk with the AI west guys about the rules and other changes for next year!!! They have made a few changes in the rules but nothing major!! I don't think I can tell you all of them on here but in confidentiality I may over the phone !!! ( SHUGG DON"T EVEN CALL ME !!!

)

The problem lies here on the EAST coast and we need to get together and work a plan !!

THE MAIN THING WE NEED IS CARS !!!!!!!
THERE IS STRENGTH IN #'S:cussing:

Tom, John, Don, Jason, Dean, Kevin,Tone,Will,
OH you too Shuggybuns
I NEED YOUR HELP !!!!! OR

THIS IS NOT A JOKE !!!!!

AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR (for now )
COBRA #17 I should be home tomarrow night after 6
540-965-3357

98banana · 11-21-2002, 07:04 AM

So, what's the deal?

**Dean95CobraR** · 11-21-2002, 08:33 AM

Are you saying the AI may go away and be converted into the Big Bore class?

I keep getting promised that the midwest will run an AI series so that means my east coast races will be very limited. I hope to make Road Atlanta though.

justagt · 11-21-2002, 09:44 AM

I am definitely in next year. We are testing the car next weekend at VIR to shake it down and be ready in Febuary. What do we need to do to make sure that AI is around for next year?

svt_coupe · 11-21-2002, 10:03 AM

Shuggybuns? Umm... these nicknames (at least this type) have GOT to stop!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!!!

So like.... what's the deal?

Shugg. (note location of period signifying end of name

)

**97whitevert** · 11-21-2002, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by svt_coupe
Shuggybuns? Umm... these nicknames (at least this type) have GOT to stop!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!!!

So like.... what's the deal?

Shugg. (note location of period signifying end of name )

awwwww, come on now .. i really like shuggybuns......not even form us female types?????

98banana · 11-21-2002, 10:44 AM

You know, I thought about this crap during my long drive into work this morning (4 miles) and I've come to the realization that the main reason I'm planning to build another Mustang is because of AI. I need to know soon what the future of AI is. If there is no AI, I'm seeking other possible car makes.

And if anybody is wondering, the Focus (v8 version) is currently holding the number 1 spot with an old 911 at a close 2nd and a C4 'vette in 3rd.

And, I'm never calling Shugg anything but Shugg. Well, except for when he's not listening.

And there goes that and thing again. AND STOP THE MADNESS!!!

rshelbygt · 11-21-2002, 12:18 PM

Hoover -- I'd love to run AI...but I don't think 2 HPDE weekends qualifies me to run with you big dogs

Besides...I really learned alot and enjoyed helping with Shugg's car this year...hoping to help him again next year if he'll let me.

My plan was to buy/prepare the car this winter and run many (at least 10-12) HPDE weekends in 2003. Then (finances and talent permitting) run a limited to full schedule of AI in 2004.

You AI/X guys provided great racing this year! Let me know if there is anything else (besides racing) that I can do to make sure there is AI/X in 2003 and beyond!...........

Blown96Snake · 11-21-2002, 12:20 PM

How many cars run AI/AIX? Is there not enough cars or what? I would hate to see that happen, I didn't get out to a race this year, but planned on seeing bunch of races next year. What would this "Big Bore" class be? Corvettes? that would suck, don't they have enough places to race?

Dave

b_tone · 11-21-2002, 01:29 PM

Hoover, call me tonight.

Shugg, you know that you love the nicknames. I can see you at home watching reruns of 7th Heaven petting your fluffy white cat with a smug look on your face being content to be called shuggybutt, shuggybuns etc.

Shoot me a note. I hope you are enjoying 'work' I am

Brian

COBRA #17 · 11-21-2002, 01:29 PM

I guess we will be around this year but the future has it's doubts if we don't get the car turn out we need. Not all of you were at the races this year so I'll breifly explain!!!
We ( AI ) were shorted a ton of track time this year simply because we had to run with the big bore group. It ( BIG BORE) is baisicly made up of leftover race cars from other classes that are there or testing or just out playing. Well they end up crashing going off or dumping a ton of oil and ruining or sesions!!
This is not the main reason we are in jepordy but is greatly effected by the # of cars.

IT IS KILLING ME NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL YOU ALL THE WHOLE STORY!!!! DAN SWORE ME TOO KEEP IT TO MYSELF UNTILL WE TRY THE FIRST PHASE OF FIXING IT!!!
BUT IF WE GET THE CAR COUNT UP IT MAY FIX ITSELF !!!

Dan and I aren't going to be able to carry the whole ship like we did last year though!!!!!! If you guys only knew how much time and $$$ we have both put into this thing you guys would have a stroke !!! It's not going to be as easy this year though!! Pockets are getting empty and patience are getting thin!!! Cooperation from you guys is needed at a MAXIMUM !!!

FEEL FREE TO CALL ME TONIGHT AND MAYBE I CAN GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAILS IN COFIDETIALITY !!!! There are still parts though that I can't tell just yet!!!

!!! Rice burning bullshit drifting and rollover crap is more important than real downhome racing !!!!

No offence to Adam or any of his buddies but as you can tell I'm PISSED

!!
I just don't grasp the thought of watching a honda civic wagon race against a mazda protige unless it's to the grocery store and they both crash and rot !!!!!
I have worked too hard to let this thing DIE!!! SO HELP US IF YOU CAN !!!!!

Beat the bushes and get the word out !!!!!!!!

I'm going to take a prozac and calm down !!! LATER !!!!!

AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR
COBRA #17 ( 1 pissed hillbilly !!! )

98banana · 11-21-2002, 01:46 PM

You can't leave us hanging like this. If I build a car, I'm doing it with the plans of making it last more than one year. What happens if AI doesn't return for 2004? I'm not ready to move to Kalifornia to race over there, so what's left?

I agree 100% with the Hyperfest comments. Rollover and drifting contests, IMO, are irresponsible and don't belong at an event meant to teach performance driving.

But, (there goes that preposition thing again!) if you're talking about the Hondas and Mazdas getting out there and seriously tracking the car, then I have absolutely no problem with that. 90% of the cars out there don't belong out there from the factory. And yes, the Mustang is one of those cars. More power to anybody that can make a car perform on the track.

svt_coupe · 11-21-2002, 02:15 PM

Hoover - I love ya like a brother so don't take this the wrong way.

You can't put this on a public board and expect not to have an uprise. In particular since it directly affects (one way or another) most of the people using this forum.

As far as the help is concerned... all you have to do is ask. If you did, I think you'd have a "call to arms" from almost everyone involved with AI. Heck, what I do for NASA-VA directly affects American Iron (trickle down theory...). I most certainly don't do it for the fun - getting called on the intercom often while trying to sort out a racecar OR go race isn't fun. I do it because 1) I used to instruct and it helps the organization 2) it helps AI - I can explain how offline. I believe that you'll have a handful of people helping you if you ask... just get ready to delegate responsibilities.

I'm not sure I understand how AI will be wiped out for next year if we don't get the numbers up. That makes about as much sense to me as cold fusion. However, if it comes down to a matter of SUPPORT or HELP with the organizational stuff, look to me as the first one that will do my part to ensure the INCREDIBLE first season isn't also our last season. AI is something special. I think it's bigger than any of us probably realize. There are people who are talking about building an AI car so they can compete 1-2 years from now after they get the school/track time. I'd hate to see it all go away because of ANY reason.

B

sn8kbit · 11-21-2002, 03:01 PM

i honest to god wish i had the time and funds to throw at you guys. right now, the only thing i've been able to do is keep shuggalicious humble (and what a job that is! whew!)
all in all, i think NASA itself needs to grow some ( i know the nashville chapter ended up having some bonehead management problems, and is no more). the view by most of the folks i know around here have no conception of what open tracking or racing is other than a parking lot full of cones, and that just doesn't come across as "hell yeah i'll do that!!"
i hope this thing sorts out, i've got 2 folks i'm pullin for next year...

COBRA #17 · 11-21-2002, 04:02 PM

I put this on a public forum for that reason!!! As far as your trickle down theory IT SUCKS !!! Your getting stabbed in the back and don't know it !!!!! I hope you know what I'm talking about !!! If not your not as smart as I HOPED YOU WERE!!!
I WARNED YOU DAN AND SEVERAL OTHERS THIS YEAR THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN !!!
As far as the public forum thing It is the only way I know how to get the word out without spending $115 dollars a month on my mobile and phone bill. I can't do it any more !!!!

I hope I haven't lost any one over this but Dan and myself have been working our asses off !!!! I'm not trying to run anyone off just trying to open some eyes !!!
Dan is probally not going to like the way I have worded this but I do the best I can!!! I don't have the big EDUCATION most of you guys have !!! Prepositions don't mean **** to me!!! Turning raduis, braking distances and torque curves do though !!!!

I"LL SAY IT AGAIN SPREAD THE WORD AND HELP US OUT !!!!

AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR
COBRA#17

11-21-2002, 07:04 AM	#2
98banana Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: North, SC Posts: 1,789	So, what's the deal? __________________ Tom Lewis Nothing fun to drive...

11-21-2002, 08:33 AM	#3
Dean95CobraR Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Warsaw Posts: 3,898	Are you saying the AI may go away and be converted into the Big Bore class? I keep getting promised that the midwest will run an AI series so that means my east coast races will be very limited. I hope to make Road Atlanta though. __________________ 2012 Boss LS #39 Black/Red

11-21-2002, 09:44 AM	#4
justagt Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Salisbury, NC Posts: 299	I am definitely in next year. We are testing the car next weekend at VIR to shake it down and be ready in Febuary. What do we need to do to make sure that AI is around for next year? __________________ Will #32 joegibbsracingoil.com

11-21-2002, 10:03 AM	#5
svt_coupe Bryan Shugg Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 817	Shuggybuns? Umm... these nicknames (at least this type) have GOT to stop!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!!!! So like.... what's the deal? Shugg. (note location of period signifying end of name ) __________________ Bryan Shugg #67 American Iron East

11-21-2002, 12:18 PM	#8
rshelbygt Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 108	wish I could Hoover -- I'd love to run AI...but I don't think 2 HPDE weekends qualifies me to run with you big dogs Besides...I really learned alot and enjoyed helping with Shugg's car this year...hoping to help him again next year if he'll let me. My plan was to buy/prepare the car this winter and run many (at least 10-12) HPDE weekends in 2003. Then (finances and talent permitting) run a limited to full schedule of AI in 2004. You AI/X guys provided great racing this year! Let me know if there is anything else (besides racing) that I can do to make sure there is AI/X in 2003 and beyond!...........

11-21-2002, 12:34 AM	#1
COBRA #17 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hot Springs VA Posts: 127	AI has hit a wall !! HELP !!!! Well guys I had a very interesting talk with Dan S. tonight!!! It doesn't look good !!! We all need to get together and get a game plan for this year or we not have any AI to run in !!! We will be stuck in BIG BORE FOREVER !!! He had an hour and 45 min talk with the AI west guys about the rules and other changes for next year!!! They have made a few changes in the rules but nothing major!! I don't think I can tell you all of them on here but in confidentiality I may over the phone !!! ( SHUGG DON"T EVEN CALL ME !!! ) The problem lies here on the EAST coast and we need to get together and work a plan !! THE MAIN THING WE NEED IS CARS !!!!!!! THERE IS STRENGTH IN #'S:cussing: Tom, John, Don, Jason, Dean, Kevin,Tone,Will, OH you too Shuggybuns I NEED YOUR HELP !!!!! OR THIS IS NOT A JOKE !!!!! AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR (for now ) COBRA #17 I should be home tomarrow night after 6 540-965-3357

11-21-2002, 10:44 AM	#7
98banana Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: North, SC Posts: 1,789	You know, I thought about this crap during my long drive into work this morning (4 miles) and I've come to the realization that the main reason I'm planning to build another Mustang is because of AI. I need to know soon what the future of AI is. If there is no AI, I'm seeking other possible car makes. And if anybody is wondering, the Focus (v8 version) is currently holding the number 1 spot with an old 911 at a close 2nd and a C4 'vette in 3rd. And, I'm never calling Shugg anything but Shugg. Well, except for when he's not listening. And there goes that and thing again. AND STOP THE MADNESS!!!

11-21-2002, 12:20 PM	#9
Blown96Snake SCMC Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 241	How many cars run AI/AIX? Is there not enough cars or what? I would hate to see that happen, I didn't get out to a race this year, but planned on seeing bunch of races next year. What would this "Big Bore" class be? Corvettes? that would suck, don't they have enough places to race? Dave __________________ 96 Vortech Cobra 406rwhp 94 "Mystic" Miata (actually Montego Blue) stiffened and ready for the track

11-21-2002, 01:29 PM	#10
b_tone Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 162	Hoover, call me tonight. Shugg, you know that you love the nicknames. I can see you at home watching reruns of 7th Heaven petting your fluffy white cat with a smug look on your face being content to be called shuggybutt, shuggybuns etc. Shoot me a note. I hope you are enjoying 'work' I am Brian

11-21-2002, 01:29 PM	#11
COBRA #17 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hot Springs VA Posts: 127	Well We HAVE A PROBLEM !!!! I guess we will be around this year but the future has it's doubts if we don't get the car turn out we need. Not all of you were at the races this year so I'll breifly explain!!! We ( AI ) were shorted a ton of track time this year simply because we had to run with the big bore group. It ( BIG BORE) is baisicly made up of leftover race cars from other classes that are there or testing or just out playing. Well they end up crashing going off or dumping a ton of oil and ruining or sesions!! This is not the main reason we are in jepordy but is greatly effected by the # of cars. IT IS KILLING ME NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL YOU ALL THE WHOLE STORY!!!! DAN SWORE ME TOO KEEP IT TO MYSELF UNTILL WE TRY THE FIRST PHASE OF FIXING IT!!! BUT IF WE GET THE CAR COUNT UP IT MAY FIX ITSELF !!! Dan and I aren't going to be able to carry the whole ship like we did last year though!!!!!! If you guys only knew how much time and $$$ we have both put into this thing you guys would have a stroke !!! It's not going to be as easy this year though!! Pockets are getting empty and patience are getting thin!!! Cooperation from you guys is needed at a MAXIMUM !!! FEEL FREE TO CALL ME TONIGHT AND MAYBE I CAN GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAILS IN COFIDETIALITY !!!! There are still parts though that I can't tell just yet!!! !!! Rice burning bullshit drifting and rollover crap is more important than real downhome racing !!!! No offence to Adam or any of his buddies but as you can tell I'm PISSED !! I just don't grasp the thought of watching a honda civic wagon race against a mazda protige unless it's to the grocery store and they both crash and rot !!!!! I have worked too hard to let this thing DIE!!! SO HELP US IF YOU CAN !!!!! Beat the bushes and get the word out !!!!!!!! I'm going to take a prozac and calm down !!! LATER !!!!! AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR COBRA #17 ( 1 pissed hillbilly !!! )

11-21-2002, 01:46 PM	#12
98banana Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: North, SC Posts: 1,789	Re: Well We HAVE A PROBLEM !!!! You can't leave us hanging like this. If I build a car, I'm doing it with the plans of making it last more than one year. What happens if AI doesn't return for 2004? I'm not ready to move to Kalifornia to race over there, so what's left? I agree 100% with the Hyperfest comments. Rollover and drifting contests, IMO, are irresponsible and don't belong at an event meant to teach performance driving. But, (there goes that preposition thing again!) if you're talking about the Hondas and Mazdas getting out there and seriously tracking the car, then I have absolutely no problem with that. 90% of the cars out there don't belong out there from the factory. And yes, the Mustang is one of those cars. More power to anybody that can make a car perform on the track.

11-21-2002, 02:15 PM	#13
svt_coupe Bryan Shugg Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 817	Hoover - I love ya like a brother so don't take this the wrong way. You can't put this on a public board and expect not to have an uprise. In particular since it directly affects (one way or another) most of the people using this forum. As far as the help is concerned... all you have to do is ask. If you did, I think you'd have a "call to arms" from almost everyone involved with AI. Heck, what I do for NASA-VA directly affects American Iron (trickle down theory...). I most certainly don't do it for the fun - getting called on the intercom often while trying to sort out a racecar OR go race isn't fun. I do it because 1) I used to instruct and it helps the organization 2) it helps AI - I can explain how offline. I believe that you'll have a handful of people helping you if you ask... just get ready to delegate responsibilities. I'm not sure I understand how AI will be wiped out for next year if we don't get the numbers up. That makes about as much sense to me as cold fusion. However, if it comes down to a matter of SUPPORT or HELP with the organizational stuff, look to me as the first one that will do my part to ensure the INCREDIBLE first season isn't also our last season. AI is something special. I think it's bigger than any of us probably realize. There are people who are talking about building an AI car so they can compete 1-2 years from now after they get the school/track time. I'd hate to see it all go away because of ANY reason. B __________________ Bryan Shugg #67 American Iron East

11-21-2002, 03:01 PM	#14
sn8kbit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: music frickin city, USA Posts: 1,417	i honest to god wish i had the time and funds to throw at you guys. right now, the only thing i've been able to do is keep shuggalicious humble (and what a job that is! whew!) all in all, i think NASA itself needs to grow some ( i know the nashville chapter ended up having some bonehead management problems, and is no more). the view by most of the folks i know around here have no conception of what open tracking or racing is other than a parking lot full of cones, and that just doesn't come across as "hell yeah i'll do that!!" i hope this thing sorts out, i've got 2 folks i'm pullin for next year... __________________ internet redneck.. 1999 Black Coupe Maximum Motorsports Kenny Brown IRS'd hybrid

11-21-2002, 04:02 PM	#15
COBRA #17 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hot Springs VA Posts: 127	OK !!! I put this on a public forum for that reason!!! As far as your trickle down theory IT SUCKS !!! Your getting stabbed in the back and don't know it !!!!! I hope you know what I'm talking about !!! If not your not as smart as I HOPED YOU WERE!!! I WARNED YOU DAN AND SEVERAL OTHERS THIS YEAR THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN !!! As far as the public forum thing It is the only way I know how to get the word out without spending $115 dollars a month on my mobile and phone bill. I can't do it any more !!!! I hope I haven't lost any one over this but Dan and myself have been working our asses off !!!! I'm not trying to run anyone off just trying to open some eyes !!! Dan is probally not going to like the way I have worded this but I do the best I can!!! I don't have the big EDUCATION most of you guys have !!! Prepositions don't mean **** to me!!! Turning raduis, braking distances and torque curves do though !!!! I"LL SAY IT AGAIN SPREAD THE WORD AND HELP US OUT !!!! AI EAST ASST DIRECTOR COBRA#17

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