Best L/T combo for 4.6 4V

White98SVT · 02-10-2003, 11:30 PM

I'm seriously looking into purchasing some long tubes now and I was curious as to everyone's experiences with them. I've read coutless posts on how bad Mac's are on the 96-98's so I'm staying clear of them. Anyone have any other info for me on this?

Thanks.

Big Daddy · 02-10-2003, 11:48 PM

I got Kooks headers through JDM Performance and they have been doing the job so far!

tnturbo · 02-11-2003, 12:09 AM

I've seen nothing but good stuff about the Kooks. Not sure if tranny comes out with them in. Robert Hindman runs a set on his car and he tells me you can't drop the tranny with them in, but that there has been a design change so maybe you can. He also tells me they are the easiest LT's to install. I'll attach a few pics of a set of these.

tnturbo · 02-11-2003, 12:15 AM

pic of Kooks header

tnturbo · 02-11-2003, 12:15 AM

another

tnturbo · 02-11-2003, 12:18 AM

another one

tnturbo · 02-11-2003, 12:19 AM

one more

White98SVT · 02-11-2003, 12:20 AM

Thanks for the info and pics guys. I really haven't heard much about the Kooks.

I do have the lead on a set of used BBK's with a hi flow X pipe that I'm working on. Any negatives/positives with them? They price is right on them.

tnturbo · 02-11-2003, 12:22 AM

I've never heard anything real bad about the BBK headers. Several people here are running them. You can't remove your tranny with them installed and the install is a little harder as they are not individual tube/slip fit collector design like the Kooks. If the price is right, I wouldn't be afraid of them.

temjin9876 · 02-11-2003, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by White98SVT
I'm seriously looking into purchasing some long tubes now and I was curious as to everyone's experiences with them. I've read coutless posts on how bad Mac's are on the 96-98's so I'm staying clear of them. Anyone have any other info for me on this?

Thanks.

you and me both....my mechanic has been barkin at me to get longtubes for a while. The best set I found through all my research was the Hooker longtubes. They are designed so that you can drop the tranny without header removal. The best place I found to buy them was Dallas Mustang.

They go with an offroad x-pipe; so if you want to stay legal you might have to buy some cats and weld them in. That is the only reason they aren't on my car right now (also because there is a 25% chance you will start burning some mad oil with any longtube)

White98SVT · 02-12-2003, 10:25 AM

This is what I ended up working out the deal on. It's a set of BBK ceramic coated long tubes and a "prototype" stainless Hi Flow X pipe:

smashedheadcat · 02-13-2003, 05:26 PM

I guess i'm a little late, but I figured i'd chime in anyway. The BBK's are great pieces. They are hard to install, but Not any harder than any other long tube. I think disassmbling a kooks header, and then trying to get it back together would be more trouble than what it's worth. I witnessed an install of kooks long tube headers on a 98 yellow cobra at true blue. They were having some major problems getting it right. Biggest issue was getting the steering shaft back in place. They ended up going with a flaming river piece to get it together. Many curse words, and wishes for BBK's were heard in the shop that day. They are great for 99-up cobras, but the 98 was painful. With BBKs, it's not that hard. Time consuming........ yes, but not too bad. I was able to twist the engine enough to get the headers in and out rather easily. I accomplished this after learning my lesson the first time. You've got some good headers there, and i'm sure you'll be happy with them. Make sure you get o2 extension wires though.

White98SVT · 02-13-2003, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smashedheadcat
I guess i'm a little late, but I figured i'd chime in anyway. The BBK's are great pieces. They are hard to install, but Not any harder than any other long tube. I think disassmbling a kooks header, and then trying to get it back together would be more trouble than what it's worth. I witnessed an install of kooks long tube headers on a 98 yellow cobra at true blue. They were having some major problems getting it right. Biggest issue was getting the steering shaft back in place. They ended up going with a flaming river piece to get it together. Many curse words, and wishes for BBK's were heard in the shop that day. They are great for 99-up cobras, but the 98 was painful. With BBKs, it's not that hard. Time consuming........ yes, but not too bad. I was able to twist the engine enough to get the headers in and out rather easily. I accomplished this after learning my lesson the first time. You've got some good headers there, and i'm sure you'll be happy with them. Make sure you get o2 extension wires though.

Thanks a lot for the reply. He is selling me the 02 sensor harness extensions with the kit. With the price of these I really think that I can't go wrong other than a more consuming and definatley painfull install. I'm not sure if I should go at this myself or pay a shop to have it done. Since I'm in college I definately would like to do this myself to save the money, but time to do it is definately an issue.

I'm kind of lost on what to do.

smashedheadcat · 02-14-2003, 12:41 AM

The headers look impossible to do, but it gets a lot easier. First off, if you don't have a lift, jack the front of the car and put jack stands under there. Get it high, but not too high. You need to be able to work from the top of the car as well. I took the wheels off, to better access everything under there. You don't have to do that, but it made it easier for me. Then, disconnect the battery, and remove the existing H-pipe. Remove the nuts from the engine mounts. There's only one on each side. There's an access hole in the K-member for you to stick a socket with an extension through. From there (I used a cherry picker) move the engine up as high as you possibly can without ripping wires and such. It's easy to tell if it's snagged up on something. If you don't have a cherry picker, a floor jack with piece of wood on it will do. Just put it under the oil pan. The directions say that you need to remove the starter to do the job, but I didn't have to. From there, it's just a battle of getting the bolts in. With a cherry picker, you can twist the engine as need be, which helps a lot. This job is a frustrating one, but it's a definate learning expirience. Be prepared to have some cut up knuckles, and have beer on-hand, it's a battle. One big help for me as to keep the emission tubes off of the driver side header until you get it in there. It just doesn't feed through if it's on there. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Send any reply here, or PM. I'll help as much as I can.

White98SVT · 02-14-2003, 12:52 AM

Josh,
Thanks for the help man that really made the install a little more down to earth for me if that makes sense. I've got some instructions and some buddies to help out but I'll definately let you know if I have any other questions.

Oh yeah, one more question......do you absolutely have to remove the K-member to do the job? Most guys say it makes it much easier....but from the looks of it, it would be more of a pain to remove it and then re-install it.

02-10-2003, 11:30 PM	#1
White98SVT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Powder Springs , GA Posts: 347	Best L/T combo for 4.6 4V I'm seriously looking into purchasing some long tubes now and I was curious as to everyone's experiences with them. I've read coutless posts on how bad Mac's are on the 96-98's so I'm staying clear of them. Anyone have any other info for me on this? Thanks. __________________ Mods........yep I have some 98Cobra #1048 of 5174 AIM: stcldsaus

02-10-2003, 11:48 PM	#2
Big Daddy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 4,885	I got Kooks headers through JDM Performance and they have been doing the job so far! __________________ 2008 Shelby GT500 White w/Blue Stripes STOCK AND STAYING THAT WAY! Kenny Brown '01 Cobra S Serial # 01-047C True Blue Performance Forged Short Block FR500 Heads & Cams, Fluidyne Radiator McLeod Clutch and aluminum flywheel Aluminum Driveshaft, UPR adjustable clutch cable GT40 Fuel Tank & pumps, Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump, 60lb injectors, Vortech T-Trim W/After Cooler, 2.9" RR Pulley Anderson Power Pipe, Accufab Throttle Body (USELESS IMHO), MGW Shifter with the blue handle KB Oil Cooling system, KB Differential Cooler Autometer Phantom boost and fuel pressure guages Kenny Brown Aero Kit, Kooks LT Headers H-Pipe with H-flow cats, Bassani Cat Back Snow Boost Cooler T56 Six Speed Tranny MGW BLING-BLING interior stuff 645RWHP and 558RWTQ

02-11-2003, 12:15 AM	#4
tnturbo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 313	pic of Kooks header Attached Images

02-11-2003, 12:15 AM	#5
tnturbo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 313	another Attached Images

02-11-2003, 12:18 AM	#6
tnturbo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 313	another one Attached Images

02-11-2003, 12:09 AM	#3
tnturbo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 313	I've seen nothing but good stuff about the Kooks. Not sure if tranny comes out with them in. Robert Hindman runs a set on his car and he tells me you can't drop the tranny with them in, but that there has been a design change so maybe you can. He also tells me they are the easiest LT's to install. I'll attach a few pics of a set of these.

02-11-2003, 12:19 AM	#7
tnturbo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 313	one more Attached Images

02-11-2003, 12:20 AM	#8
White98SVT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Powder Springs , GA Posts: 347	Thanks for the info and pics guys. I really haven't heard much about the Kooks. I do have the lead on a set of used BBK's with a hi flow X pipe that I'm working on. Any negatives/positives with them? They price is right on them. __________________ Mods........yep I have some 98Cobra #1048 of 5174 AIM: stcldsaus

02-11-2003, 12:22 AM	#9
tnturbo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 313	I've never heard anything real bad about the BBK headers. Several people here are running them. You can't remove your tranny with them installed and the install is a little harder as they are not individual tube/slip fit collector design like the Kooks. If the price is right, I wouldn't be afraid of them.

02-12-2003, 10:25 AM	#11
White98SVT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Powder Springs , GA Posts: 347	This is what I ended up working out the deal on. It's a set of BBK ceramic coated long tubes and a "prototype" stainless Hi Flow X pipe: __________________ Mods........yep I have some 98Cobra #1048 of 5174 AIM: stcldsaus

02-13-2003, 05:26 PM	#12
smashedheadcat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Geneva, Switzerland Posts: 1,727	I guess i'm a little late, but I figured i'd chime in anyway. The BBK's are great pieces. They are hard to install, but Not any harder than any other long tube. I think disassmbling a kooks header, and then trying to get it back together would be more trouble than what it's worth. I witnessed an install of kooks long tube headers on a 98 yellow cobra at true blue. They were having some major problems getting it right. Biggest issue was getting the steering shaft back in place. They ended up going with a flaming river piece to get it together. Many curse words, and wishes for BBK's were heard in the shop that day. They are great for 99-up cobras, but the 98 was painful. With BBKs, it's not that hard. Time consuming........ yes, but not too bad. I was able to twist the engine enough to get the headers in and out rather easily. I accomplished this after learning my lesson the first time. You've got some good headers there, and i'm sure you'll be happy with them. Make sure you get o2 extension wires though. __________________ Josh 2003 Oxford White Cobra Coupe Twin Turbo Solid Axle Automatic Return Fuel System 1997 Triple Black Cobra Convertible Forged and Blown. 511rwhp 398 rwtq Sold

02-14-2003, 12:41 AM	#14
smashedheadcat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Geneva, Switzerland Posts: 1,727	The headers look impossible to do, but it gets a lot easier. First off, if you don't have a lift, jack the front of the car and put jack stands under there. Get it high, but not too high. You need to be able to work from the top of the car as well. I took the wheels off, to better access everything under there. You don't have to do that, but it made it easier for me. Then, disconnect the battery, and remove the existing H-pipe. Remove the nuts from the engine mounts. There's only one on each side. There's an access hole in the K-member for you to stick a socket with an extension through. From there (I used a cherry picker) move the engine up as high as you possibly can without ripping wires and such. It's easy to tell if it's snagged up on something. If you don't have a cherry picker, a floor jack with piece of wood on it will do. Just put it under the oil pan. The directions say that you need to remove the starter to do the job, but I didn't have to. From there, it's just a battle of getting the bolts in. With a cherry picker, you can twist the engine as need be, which helps a lot. This job is a frustrating one, but it's a definate learning expirience. Be prepared to have some cut up knuckles, and have beer on-hand, it's a battle. One big help for me as to keep the emission tubes off of the driver side header until you get it in there. It just doesn't feed through if it's on there. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Send any reply here, or PM. I'll help as much as I can. __________________ Josh 2003 Oxford White Cobra Coupe Twin Turbo Solid Axle Automatic Return Fuel System 1997 Triple Black Cobra Convertible Forged and Blown. 511rwhp 398 rwtq Sold

02-14-2003, 12:52 AM	#15
White98SVT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Powder Springs , GA Posts: 347	Josh, Thanks for the help man that really made the install a little more down to earth for me if that makes sense. I've got some instructions and some buddies to help out but I'll definately let you know if I have any other questions. Oh yeah, one more question......do you absolutely have to remove the K-member to do the job? Most guys say it makes it much easier....but from the looks of it, it would be more of a pain to remove it and then re-install it. __________________ Mods........yep I have some 98Cobra #1048 of 5174 AIM: stcldsaus

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